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That'll teach those scissor-wielding fascists to stay in their boxes. 'The milkshake chuckers' - our equivalent of the yellow vests.

Looks like the usual rabble just far fewer of them.........

Hardly earth shattering "support" for the protests, maybe they have realised that they make diddly difference as they are a minority... ;)
 
Who'd have thought a London Mayor could so get under the skin of a US President but then Trump seems to have the temper tantrum ability of a toddler.


He really needs to get better sources than Katie Hopkins (and her Islamophobia) if he wants to be able to deny he is the defender of the far right.

Somebody should point out that (as awful as what happened is) the numbers involved are still less than the average school shooting in the US. What is the next step up from "disaster"?
 
My guess is Trump knows that Khan is an easy target and he knows Khan doesn't really have it in him to shoot back with anything than damp PR speak. And won't take the hard actions to resolve the issue. But it's unseemly and unnecessary; sadly that is the world we live in now.
 
My guess is Trump knows that Khan is an easy target and he knows Khan doesn't really have it in him to shoot back with anything than damp PR speak. And won't take the hard actions to resolve the issue. But it's unseemly and unnecessary; sadly that is the world we live in now.

Eh?

Is "damp PR speak" alternative speak for not speaking like an a**e? And why is the Mayor of London an easy target for the President of USA when he shouldn't be on his radar as the President of the USA especially when it is unprompted (unless of course you think a hate speaking, person of division is prompting?)?
 
Eh?

Is "damp PR speak" alternative speak for not speaking like an a**e? And why is the Mayor of London an easy target for the President of USA when he shouldn't be on his radar as the President of the USA especially when it is unprompted (unless of course you think a hate speaking, person of division is prompting?)?
On one video when Trump was over, he made a video of well meaning, left wing buzzword bingo gibberish. And replies in a similar vein - he'd better off saying nothing. Khan's inability to get knife crime under control and a seeming willingness to not take a hard decision on it just leaves him there for a jab from a president obsessed with cable TV news and idle thumbs.

After all, Khan was the one that started this silly spat wasn't he? And hence why he is on Trump's radar.
 
Trump is no statesman. He is far too sensitive and egocentric about any perceived slight - and far too stupid not to rise to the (perceived) bait, sending out his classless tweets that are like the ramblings of a petulant child. I can't remember the last time any world leader descended to having a 'spat' with a mayor of a foreign country - especially of a city he was about to visit in about ten minutes!
 
On one video when Trump was over, he made a video of well meaning, left wing buzzword bingo gibberish. And replies in a similar vein - he'd better off saying nothing. Khan's inability to get knife crime under control and a seeming willingness to not take a hard decision on it just leaves him there for a jab from a president obsessed with cable TV news and idle thumbs.

After all, Khan was the one that started this silly spat wasn't he? And hence why he is on Trump's radar.

No, Trump retweeting right wing conspiracy rubbish about no go areas in UK, and how dangerous it is in London, started it whilst at the same time ignoring the greater murder rates in US cities. Oh and Trump being a racist also started it.

So you are blaming Khan for knife crime?

Whilst ignoring massive cuts to public sector budgets from austerity. Police numbers have been cut significantly, youth services/social services youth intervention services are close to non-existent.

Theresa May's "hostile environment" has created resentment in some communities, austerity has created resentment and hopelessness in some poor communities while cutting real terms funding of education which offers a way out.

So how is Khan to blame for knife crime outside of London, because it isn't only London? Why isn't it under control outside of London?

There is one consistent running through this and that is the Tory Party and its dogma of austerity.

Have you got a link to what Khan said as left wing buzzword bingo gibberish means nothing?
 
No, Trump retweeting right wing conspiracy rubbish about no go areas in UK, and how dangerous it is in London, started it whilst at the same time ignoring the greater murder rates in US cities. Oh and Trump being a racist also started it.

So you are blaming Khan for knife crime?


Whilst ignoring massive cuts to public sector budgets from austerity. Police numbers have been cut significantly, youth services/social services youth intervention services are close to non-existent.

Theresa May's "hostile environment" has created resentment in some communities, austerity has created resentment and hopelessness in some poor communities while cutting real terms funding of education which offers a way out.

So how is Khan to blame for knife crime outside of London, because it isn't only London? Why isn't it under control outside of London?

There is one consistent running through this and that is the Tory Party and its dogma of austerity.

Have you got a link to what Khan said as left wing buzzword bingo gibberish means nothing?
No, he's a moron to everyone and doesn't care who he offends.
No, but I don't think he has provided decisive leadership. He's ok to spend his police budget on Trump protests, not clearing climate protests and prosecuting mean tweets, but not on knife crime? As leader of London, he needs to lead and take on the tough decisions - the same failing as Maybot.
Never said he was. Why not try the methods Glasgow used now? Why are we still talking about it? Why isn't Khan pestering the Home Office, among other departments in Govt for more help? Why isn't he trying to innovate?
It's on the London Mayor twitter feed, not hard to find!

ps. The hostile environment was started by New Labour at the Home Office. The Maybot then took it on.
 
Knife crime in London is predominantly the result of gang culture that pervades black youth.

Saying that is not "racist".

The London Mayor has done little to tackle the issue, like adopting the broad approach used in Glasgow.

That is not "blaming Khan" it is just statement of fact.

He needs to step up, use honest language and deal with the issue on behalf of everyone living in London whether they are white,brown, black or any other skin colour.
 
No, he's a moron to everyone and doesn't care who he offends.
No, but I don't think he has provided decisive leadership. He's ok to spend his police budget on Trump protests, not clearing climate protests and prosecuting mean tweets, but not on knife crime? As leader of London, he needs to lead and take on the tough decisions - the same failing as Maybot.
Never said he was. Why not try the methods Glasgow used now? Why are we still talking about it? Why isn't Khan pestering the Home Office, among other departments in Govt for more help? Why isn't he trying to innovate?
It's on the London Mayor twitter feed, not hard to find!

ps. The hostile environment was started by New Labour at the Home Office. The Maybot then took it on.

The hostile environment started in 2012 under May:


The Police HAVE to police demonstrations whatever they are for or by who or are you suggesting they ban demonstrations/public protest in a democracy? So what is your point here with regards Khan when London becomes the focus for demonstrations for national and global issues?

You think the police aren't investigating or focusing on knife crime? Really?

Essexyellows rightly points out that a lot of knife crime is to do with gang culture. The battle against that is seriously damaged by austerity, as previously mentioned the massive cuts to youth services (managed by Councils) and real terms cuts to education (managed by central Govt or still in a small way by Councils). Talk me through how Khan is going to influence those?

You really think a Tory Govt are going to give additional resources to a Labour Mayor when they aren't giving them to Tory Councils?

For a broad approach like Glasgow, you need joined up, multi agency co-operation across all operations so that is all Councils, NHS, Mayor's admin etc. You know he hasn't tried? I know of a quite a few London Councils in the past (Tory and Labour) who wouldn't work in such partnerships for different things (through trade magazines), sadly mainly for dogmatic/personality reasons.

This approach would also require Councils to put significant money (they haven't got due to austerity) into Youth services/social services safeguarding etc and this will have a significant time lag as well. The NHS will also have to put resources into it so the only budget that Khan can have any influence over is the Police. Glasgow I suspect will have less partner organisations to combine for the policy but it is a good approach. Which begs the question why hasn't it been done in other smaller UK cities where they less organisations to work together?

So no link to Khan's left wing gibberish you claim he made?

Oh and Trump is a racist.
 
Of course not - but neither can it be claimed that the austerity program has had no negative effects, either on institutions or individuals.
 
Sorry local councils do have money they choose not to spend it.

Likewise the NHS spend their money "poorly".

"Austerity" can not be blamed for all societies ill`s if it is caused by bad management.

What number are you looking at with regards the Council?

In your own link on council's:

"Pressures, such as an ageing demographic and population growth, continue to increase demand on services. Significant growth is expected in demand for adult social care, children’s services and waste disposal over the next four years. This growth is in stark contrast to significant cuts in Government funding as a result of ongoing austerity measures. The Authority continues to adopt a proactive approach to managing these demands. This has involved the establishment of a comprehensive Transformation Programme tasked to achieve economy inthe use of resources and a rolling programme of budget reductions.The Authority’s Medium Term Financial Strategy (MTFS) continues to identify the significant budget reductions needed to achieve a balanced budget. Savings of £43.3m are forecast to be made over the next four years, 2017-2021, with £16.4m to be achieved in 2016/17. Additional savings of £23m will also be required by 2020/21. This is a challenging task considering that savings of £160m have already been achieved in the last seven years".

So they are having to make major savings of £43.3m from 2017-2021 against a base budget of £346.7m. They also added the underspends back but they can't be used for ongoing expenditure as it is a one off additional source of income. Also, Councils are required to keep reserves as a safety net as Councils can't roll over deficits.

Also when it talks about future prospects:

"The state of public finances is likely to signify a continuation of very tight funding for the foreseeable future. Combining this with the objective to minimise council tax means that the Authority will continue to operate within an extremely tight financial environment over the medium term.The Authority’s Medium Term Financial Strategy (MTFS) agreed in February 2017 is based on a council tax increase of 3.99% for 2017/18, including 2% regarding an adult social care precept agreed by Central Government, followed by annual increases of 3.99% in the following two years and a 1.99% increase for 2020/21. The MTFS assumes that the level of Government funding will declineby a further 47% over the four years of the MTFS. The Chancellor of the Exchequer’s 2015 Autumn statement confirmed that the Government plans to eliminate the current public sector deficit by 2019/20 with significant implications for the public sector. Local Government is the area that continues to face the largest reduction in funding. As a result the Authority faces an extremely challenging financial environment with a requirement to make significant savings over the medium term. The result of the UK European Union referendum in June 2016 to leave the EU has created further uncertainty to public sector funding with some early commentators forecasting that the public sector austerity may continue for a further two years than previously forecast to 2021/22."

Further detail on the major identified risks:

"There is little doubt that the Authority faces the most uncertain and risky financial environment for a generation. There are a number of known major risks over the next few years that could have a significant financial impact on the Authority. These include:

Non-achievement of savings and income targets. The requirement for savings and additional income totals £66m over the next four years of which £23m is unidentified.

Service pressures resulting in an overspend. There are increasing pressures within Adults and Children’s social care. In 2015/16 the children’s placement budget overspent and the acute pressure on national health services is likely to result in higher demand for social care services in the future.

There is a risk that the element of the Better Care Fund that is available to support adult social care services does not continue in the later years of the MTFS.

Public finances continue to deteriorate with the potential for further reductions beyond the four year allocations announced by central government."

And in the detail for future prospects a notable comment on future savings:

"Children and Family Services (£8.1m). This includes reducing costs for social care placements, managing demand and reviewing early help and prevention services."

So major savings will have to be made in Children & Family Services. So where is this money coming from for Youth Services assuming they got any Youth Services to build upon other than Crisis prevention?

Further austerity has affected real term funding for education which has impacted on ways people can get out of gangs through learning.

On the NHS: Point me to the parts that evidence for your comment on the link as it covers a hell of a lot. I see it summarising and making recommendations:

- systemic issues on funding, spending, organisational structure,
- the risk to partnership working (which is relevant to the discussion about Glasgow's approach),
- raiding capital funds to prop up revenue budgets (£1bn in 2017/18),
- requirements to meet targets for the long term funding settlement,
- CCGs/Trusts not understanding local pressures,
- Cuts in Social Services funding (ie. bed blocking) a major threat on NHS budgets,
- combined deficit of £991m across of NHS Trusts in 2017/18, CCGs have a combined deficit of £213m in 2017/18 and that it isn't clear on the underlying position,
- etc etc

And austerity has had an impact on the NHS as evidenced by bed blocking and the cut in Social Care budgets. Also, the underfunding of mental health care which has had a knock on effect on A&E and other NHS services, as well as the Police.
 
The hostile environment started in 2012 under May:


The Police HAVE to police demonstrations whatever they are for or by who or are you suggesting they ban demonstrations/public protest in a democracy? So what is your point here with regards Khan when London becomes the focus for demonstrations for national and global issues?

You think the police aren't investigating or focusing on knife crime? Really?

Essexyellows rightly points out that a lot of knife crime is to do with gang culture. The battle against that is seriously damaged by austerity, as previously mentioned the massive cuts to youth services (managed by Councils) and real terms cuts to education (managed by central Govt or still in a small way by Councils). Talk me through how Khan is going to influence those?

You really think a Tory Govt are going to give additional resources to a Labour Mayor when they aren't giving them to Tory Councils?

For a broad approach like Glasgow, you need joined up, multi agency co-operation across all operations so that is all Councils, NHS, Mayor's admin etc. You know he hasn't tried? I know of a quite a few London Councils in the past (Tory and Labour) who wouldn't work in such partnerships for different things (through trade magazines), sadly mainly for dogmatic/personality reasons.

This approach would also require Councils to put significant money (they haven't got due to austerity) into Youth services/social services safeguarding etc and this will have a significant time lag as well. The NHS will also have to put resources into it so the only budget that Khan can have any influence over is the Police. Glasgow I suspect will have less partner organisations to combine for the policy but it is a good approach. Which begs the question why hasn't it been done in other smaller UK cities where they less organisations to work together?

So no link to Khan's left wing gibberish you claim he made?

Oh and Trump is a racist.
Trump isn't racist, but he is certainly complicated and complicates it each time he opens his mouth. Why make policy to help African Americans if you are racist? How is his approval rating in minorities growing if that is true? As I say, it's more complicated than a simple label!

Re the demonstrations, the Police would deal with football fans in a different manner. I'd expect a regional leader to take a sympathetic tone, but ask the Police to move them on after a day in a friendly way. It must have cost a fortune having all those officers standing around across London, let alone the drag on dealing with other crime like knife crime. A leader will lead there.

No, I don't think the Police are looking at knife crime. Who thinks actually that? Jesus, I mean, come off it, that just sounds silly. o_O

For one, Khan can provide leadership with the Met Police, create a quorum and then approach the relative Govt body with a problem statement, investment needed and where they need help. A plan. Even the Tories knows knife crime is a big issue and understand it's a societal issue, not a party political one. Has Khan done this?

The video was all over the news. If it aches yer that much, go find it.
 
Trump isn't racist, but he is certainly complicated and complicates it each time he opens his mouth. Why make policy to help African Americans if you are racist? How is his approval rating in minorities growing if that is true? As I say, it's more complicated than a simple label!

Re the demonstrations, the Police would deal with football fans in a different manner. I'd expect a regional leader to take a sympathetic tone, but ask the Police to move them on after a day in a friendly way. It must have cost a fortune having all those officers standing around across London, let alone the drag on dealing with other crime like knife crime. A leader will lead there.

No, I don't think the Police are looking at knife crime. Who thinks actually that? Jesus, I mean, come off it, that just sounds silly. o_O

For one, Khan can provide leadership with the Met Police, create a quorum and then approach the relative Govt body with a problem statement, investment needed and where they need help. A plan. Even the Tories knows knife crime is a big issue and understand it's a societal issue, not a party political one. Has Khan done this?

The video was all over the news. If it aches yer that much, go find it.

If you keep referring to racists then it suggests you agree with their ideas (ie. Katie Hopkins and Londonistan) and your policies target particular groups of people based on their race then you are a racist. Trump is a racist. Are African Americans the only race? Can you talk me through why Trump keeps tweeting about the Mayor of London?

And if those demonstrators didn't move on as in Extinction rebellion, what is he supposed to do? Most demonstrations do end on the day. Again what is Khan supposed to do other than ban protests to cut the cost, he isn't creating the issues (they are national/global issues) that people are demonstrating about yet you blame Khan?

So the Police are looking at knife crime, so the organisations under Khan's remit are doing their job and focusing on it.

You know Khan hasn't tried to bring the different organisations together as I'm not the one saying he hasn't provided leadership? Based on my reading (as explained above) and my experience working in local Govt, bringing together different public sector organisations is not a short process and not straightforward as you seem to be implying here. The cross working partnerships I was involved in took years to come to fruition and that involved far less organisations (that also assumes those organisations are willing to be involved) than Khan would have to work with to get this off the ground. As an example of the risks from Essexyellow's NHS link above:

"Partnership working is vulnerable, given that partnerships are not statutory bodies and face significant challenges. Three-quarters of partnerships have a deficit when the finances of their constituent trusts and CCGs are added together. Even the most advanced partnerships face significant challenges in managing demand within the resources available. The areas we visited all reported making progress on partnership working within the existing legal framework. However, the need for organisations to meet their own statutory requirements may hinder partnership working. Partnerships are not statutory bodies supported by a legislative framework, and so require the goodwill of all involved. Continued financial pressure will test this goodwill. National bodies, in discussion with NHS colleagues, have developed a provisional list of potential legislative changes for Parliament’s consideration to support better integration in the best interest of patients (paragraphs 3.7 and 3.8)."

Without your link, I don't know which comments of Khan's you are claiming are left wing gibberish.
 
Trump isn't racist, but he is certainly complicated and complicates it each time he opens his mouth. Why make policy to help African Americans if you are racist? How is his approval rating in minorities growing if that is true? As I say, it's more complicated than a simple label!

Trump himself may or may not be a racist, but a lot of his core following are - against the Islamic community above all others - and so he loves to pander to them.

And if you believe that Khan's religious identity has nothing to do with this twitter spat, then I'd suggest that you're being very sweetly naïve.
 
Trump himself may or may not be a racist, but a lot of his core following are - against the Islamic community above all others - and so he loves to pander to them.

And if you believe that Khan's religious identity has nothing to do with this twitter spat, then I'd suggest that you're being very sweetly naïve.
My belief if this is personal over and above anything else. Khan said some mean things (perhaps thinking Trump would never win), and I think flying the Trump baby balloon over London last year really got under his skin more than he would ever admit it did. Add in the fuss over the state visit last year (another big thing for Trump becaue of his Mum being a royalist), it squarely hit Trump where it matters most to him. His own personal vanity and ego. The fact Khan is a Muslim is a bonus for some supporters, but as I say, I think this one is personal over and above anything else. You can tell by the tone of the tweets. No mocking nicknames, no jokes, just personal.

It's sad he relies on Katie Hopkins, but that is social media for ya. It we like freedom of speech...
 
how's the Khanage going in London tonight?..quiet..hopefully ..until tomorrow.
 
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