FA Cup Coventry vs Man Utd

dickwalton1964 said:
To be fair, that is clearly offside. I didn’t mind who won but we can’t have favouritism just because the rest of the country wanted it onside. It’s off - simple as that.
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"Clearly offside"? ................. by his boot leather? :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

Tell me its not destroying the game.

You are 3-0 down.

Pull it back to 3-3.

Score a potential winner in ET and the elation, joy and moment is removed, not by the officials at the time watching the game in real time, but by a camera that analyses things to the nth degree.

Games gone.
 
Concretebob said:
What a pathetic little shithead Antony is.

Meanwhile Harry Maguire showed pure class by shaking all the Coventry players hands straight after the penalty shootout

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1782129939581472931
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I am playing devils advocate here but Coventry were giving it to United players too, they were both at it. Look at the keeper in Bruno’s ear, he gave some back too when he converted the penalty. Why shouldn’t Antony do that, just playing them at their own game. I couldn’t care less who won - think a Manchester derby will be a better final though - but one thing I detest is players, or even people socially, who dish it out but cry when they get it back. If you want a polite reaction, be respectful in the first place.
 
dickwalton1964 said:
Yes. City will be favourites of course but you can’t write off United in a one off game. United had a bit of fortune maybe but so did City - they were outplayed by Chelsea, who are worse than United in the PL. How Chelsea did not win that by 3 or 4 is down to some of the most wayward finishing you could wish to see. Madrid, while conceding possession, had City exactly where they wanted them in midweek too. This City side has cracks, no doubt about it.
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If Chelsea win their game in hand 1-0 they’ll be level on points with Man Utd, with an 11 better goal difference. How does that add up to being worse in the league? Oh and Chelsea beat them recently!

Also my point was more due to how abjectly poor Man Utd have been recently: No win in their last 5 including draws with Brentford, Bournemouth and Coventry. A manager who doesn’t have a clue and just falls out with all his players. An ageing squad. Likely to finish 7th or 8th. Currently ten points behind Spurs of all people.
 
dickwalton1964 said:
I am playing devils advocate here but Coventry were giving it to United players too, they were both at it. Look at the keeper in Bruno’s ear, he gave some back too when he converted the penalty. Why shouldn’t Antony do that, just playing them at their own game. I couldn’t care less who won - think a Manchester derby will be a better final though - but one thing I detest is players, or even people socially, who dish it out but cry when they get it back. If you want a polite reaction, be respectful in the first place.
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Alexa, show me a closet Man United fan.
 
IsleofWightYellow said:
If Chelsea win their game in hand 1-0 they’ll be level on points with Man Utd, with a 11 better goal difference. How does that add up to being worse in the league? Oh and Chelsea beat them recently!

Also my point was more due to how abjectly poor Man Utd have been recently: No win in their last 5 including draws with Brentford, Bournemouth and Coventry. A manager who doesn’t have a clue and just falls out with all his players. An ageing squad.
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Funnily enough, I was at that game (relative is a season ticket holder) and, believe me, Chelsea got out of jail in a way that puts Unuteds escape yesterday in the shade!!! A fabulous game to be at but boy how did United lose, they were ridiculously dominant and better everywhere!
 
Friday - Oxford denied a clear penalty. Later given penalty that actually wasn't one, but were already losing
Saturday - Chelsea not given a penalty for a blatant handball vs City
Sunday - 2/3 blatant penalty's not given to Forest. Coventry denied a historic win by highly questionably drawn VAR lines.

Let's take a look at who all those decisions benefitted:

Friday - While you could argue the decisions on Friday balanced themselves out, we were denied the obvious penalty at 0-0. It if were rightly given, we probably go on to win the game. Oxford not winning means the L1 play-off race goes down to the final day with 4 teams involved. EFL benefit.
Saturday - Man City, the money men of football. Sets up a Manchester derby final. PL and FA benefit.
Sunday - Everton staying in the PL gives the PL, Sky etc more 'event' games (Everton Liverpool, Everton Man U etc). Forest doesn't have such games. PL benefit.
Man United, sets up Manchester derby final. PL and FA benefit.

So in the case of every questionable decision this weekend (that we know of), either the EFL, PL, or FA stand to benefit. Maybe the suggestion of corruption is too far fetched but hmmm, it's quite a coincidence, no?
 
dickwalton1964 said:
It’s a difficult one because as annoying and frustrating as it is - like today. - it is arriving at the correct decision for offsides. I’d revert back to pre VAR but we are stuck with it, here to stay and it’s become an accepted part of the game.
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It's not an "accepted part of the game" though. Fans hate it and don't accept it. Pundits agree. Even the players and managers would probably agree if polled, albeit they pick and choose when to support a particular decision.
 
dickwalton1964 said:
Yes. City will be favourites of course but you can’t write off United in a one off game. United had a bit of fortune maybe but so did City - they were outplayed by Chelsea, who are worse than United in the PL. How Chelsea did not win that by 3 or 4 is down to some of the most wayward finishing you could wish to see. Madrid, while conceding possession, had City exactly where they wanted them in midweek too. This City side has cracks, no doubt about it.
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Look, this is an Oxford UNITED forum, the only team called 'UNITED' play in yellow and blue, not some overhyped money train from Manchester. Please refrain from calling any other club 'UNITED'. Oh, and 'CITY' play in blue and white hoops.
 
MustardYellow said:
Friday - Oxford denied a clear penalty. Later given penalty that actually wasn't one, but were already losing
Saturday - Chelsea not given a penalty for a blatant handball vs City
Sunday - 2/3 blatant penalty's not given to Forest. Coventry denied a historic win by highly questionably drawn VAR lines.

Let's take a look at who all those decisions benefitted:

Friday - While you could argue the decisions on Friday balanced themselves out, we were denied the obvious penalty at 0-0. It if were rightly given, we probably go on to win the game. Oxford not winning means the L1 play-off race goes down to the final day with 4 teams involved. EFL benefit.
Saturday - Man City, the money men of football. Sets up a Manchester derby final. PL and FA benefit.
Sunday - Everton staying in the PL gives the PL, Sky etc more 'event' games (Everton Liverpool, Everton Man U etc). Forest doesn't have such games. PL benefit.
Man United, sets up Manchester derby final. PL and FA benefit.

So in the case of every questionable decision this weekend (that we know of), either the EFL, PL, or FA stand to benefit. Maybe the suggestion of corruption is too far fetched but hmmm, it's quite a coincidence, no?
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As you say, a bit too far fetched. How many people would you have to get to join your conspiracy? How would you ensure no one gave it away? This is a good example of how silly conspiracy theories are
 
SteMerritt said:
Look, this is an Oxford UNITED forum, the only team called 'UNITED' play in yellow and blue, not some overhyped money train from Manchester. Please refrain from calling any other club 'UNITED'. Oh, and 'CITY' play in blue and white hoops.
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Nick Harris always refers to Oxford UNITED as ‘UNTIED’ and Oxford CITY as ‘CITY’.

Quite right too.
 
We can argue all we like about the penalties on Friday. We didnt win the game because we didnt take all the chances we had, enough to have won ten games, that sadly has been our problem all season thats why we are where we are.
 
werthersoriginal said:
As you say, a bit too far fetched. How many people would you have to get to join your conspiracy? How would you ensure no one gave it away? This is a good example of how silly conspiracy theories are
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I personally don't know if it's corruption, although I am beginning to run out of of logical reasons as to why so many questionable decisions are being made. It isn't that far fetched, though.

Refs are overseen by the PGMOL. A lot of people don't realise the PGMOL are not independent at all - its owned and funded by The EFL, the Premier League, and the FA. The current chair of PGMOL is the ex FA Chief Executive, and previously held a chair role at the Premier League. The PGMOL's main sponsor is 'Tune Group', who are also partners of the EFL and the FA Cup.

It isn't far fetched at all to suggest that those 3 organisations have influence over PGMOL. The referees wages are essentially paid by those organisations, through the PGMOL. Whether you believe that influence culminates in questionable decisions that almost always result in one of, or all of, the EFL, Premier League and FA benefitting in some capacity is up to individuals to decide, I guess.

Let's not forget suggestions of widespread corruption at FIFA was a 'conspiracy', until it wasn't.
 
That been at the other end, no question a goal would have been given, Mankies fans dont have far to go home anyway, they all live in London
 
ManU had a huge advantage in this game, having the experience of playing with VAR week in week out is a massive benefit compared to Cov who have never played with it. There is now a skill to playing with VAR. And this is where having VAR in the whole FA Cup tournament is wrong, and it has cost Cov.

If anything for offside there should be a margin of error either side of the lines drawn and depending where the margin lies it should then go with the onfield decision. Bit like umpires call in cricket. I know offside is a factual call but it is meant to be a support to the officials and correct a clear and obvious error, a linesperson not giving offside when a toenail proves to be offside cannot be a clear and obvious error on the part of the lino.
 
How many games have Coventry had VAR involved this season? One? It's ruined one of their greatest ever moments and the biggest shock in FA Cup history. Imagine playing the whole season knowing you can celebrate goals without repercussion then you get to the one game that matters the most and go mental all for nothing. Modern football is absolutely fucked.
 
AbsoluteZero said:
ManU had a huge advantage in this game, having the experience of playing with VAR week in week out is a massive benefit compared to Cov who have never played with it. There is now a skill to playing with VAR. And this is where having VAR in the whole FA Cup tournament is wrong, and it has cost Cov.
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How, exactly, do you work that out? Given the incident, there is no way the Man Utd defender thought in that split second "I know how VAR works, I'll do this" which gave him an advantage.

I've seen people say this, but never give an example where an advantage can be seen. If you have one, I'd love to hear it.
 
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