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Sheik djibouti said:
Whats this???

Is Kier right, or are you now backing an extension too?

Has your ticking clock suddenly fallen silent?[emoji848]

It is Christmas I guess...and miracles can happen!
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No extension. Too much else going on.

Tick tock.......

Starmer has many years to find his way out of the wilderness........ once he finds the middle ground he might have something to offer more than hindsight.
 
The overwhelming remain vote in Gibraltar seem like they're getting what they want.
 
Essexyellows said:
No extension. Too much else going on.

Tick tock.......

Starmer has many years to find his way out of the wilderness........ once he finds the middle ground he might have something to offer more than hindsight.
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Starmer is politically being sensible leaving it all to the Tories and waiting for Johnson and co to deliver their oven ready deal, after all it was1,000,000/1 for it to be a no deal Brexit. Starmer can't affect the deal and this way ownership of any failure to get a deal or if it is a bad deal can't get passed to him or Labour. It is playing the long game and avoiding any Tory traps/excuses, the sort of traps that Corbyn blundered into on a regular basis.
 
Essexyellows said:
No extension. Too much else going on.

Tick tock.......

Starmer has many years to find his way out of the wilderness........ once he finds the middle ground he might have something to offer more than hindsight.
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He only has to turn up every Wednesday in parliament and the other bloke, makes his position so much easier. Labour are only ever really electable when they move to the middle ground, so becoming Blairite without being Blair. The Tory party lurching to the right and incompetence will inevitably lose them their majority.
How long Johnson is allowed to make his party unelectable at the next election is open to debate. How you come back from the Brexit fiasco, the party that stole Xmas, the party renamed the u turn party is going to be fun to watch. That should be the political game of charades for 2021.
 
bashamwonderland said:
That the main political parties are not making good enough environmental promises is our own fault. If they allow pillaging then it's their head on the block. No blaming EU anymore.
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This is actually one of the few theoretical ‘upsides’ to Brexit. Politicians can’t blame the bogeyman anymore. No more, “But the EU make us do it, it’s because of the EU that it’s this way” etc. The excuses are gone and it will all fall squarely at the feet of our own government and our own local and national authorities. At least in theory.

Having said that, politics always needs a fall guy, so it’ll possibly just become more and more about turning sections of society against each other in lieu of being able to portray Europe as some sort of corrupt puppet master. This has already started with the so-called left/right divide being spurred on so ferociously from the top table. They’ve already welcomed and actively helped to forge societal divisions. Those in charge don’t care who the guns of us mere plebs are pointed at, so long as it isn’t them. It’s no skin off their nose if we shoot our own families, let alone our friends or neighbours. They just don’t want a metaphorical cap in their ass.

I’ll be interested to see how many people actually have enough about them moving forward to go, “Hang on... this is YOUR responsibility now. Nobody can tell you what to do apart from you. So what are you gonna do about it?” Or will we just carry on blaming anybody but the people in charge?

One thing is for sure. I’m gonna need a bigger Marley.
 
Sheik djibouti said:
Glad to see you agree with him.

Not letting ol' slippery Bojo off the hook and holding him to account is the right thing to do.
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He only states his position weeks after the event.
If it`s a good outcome.... "I said we should have."
If it`s a bad outcome.... "I said we should have"
He`s not getting called Captain Hindsight for nothing. Still it might stabilise that collapsed red wall.
 
RyanioBirdio said:
This is actually one of the few theoretical ‘upsides’ to Brexit. Politicians can’t blame the bogeyman anymore. No more, “But the EU make us do it, it’s because of the EU that it’s this way” etc. The excuses are gone and it will all fall squarely at the feet of our own government and our own local and national authorities. At least in theory.

Having said that, politics always needs a fall guy, so it’ll possibly just become more and more about turning sections of society against each other in lieu of being able to portray Europe as some sort of corrupt puppet master. This has already started with the so-called left/right divide being spurred on so ferociously from the top table. They’ve already welcomed and actively helped to forge societal divisions. Those in charge don’t care who the guns of us mere plebs are pointed at, so long as it isn’t them. It’s no skin off their nose if we shoot our own families, let alone our friends or neighbours. They just don’t want a metaphorical cap in their ass.

I’ll be interested to see how many people actually have enough about them moving forward to go, “Hang on... this is YOUR responsibility now. Nobody can tell you what to do apart from you. So what are you gonna do about it?” Or will we just carry on blaming anybody but the people in charge?

One thing is for sure. I’m gonna need a bigger Marley.
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It'll be the "benefit scroungers"/immigrants/rich people depending on who is saying the message. People who criticise those in charge will get accused of "hindsight" etc as we are now having.
 
Essexyellows said:
He only states his position weeks after the event.
If it`s a good outcome.... "I said we should have."
If it`s a bad outcome.... "I said we should have"
He`s not getting called Captain Hindsight for nothing. Still it might stabilise that collapsed red wall.
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That is pure BS. For example, he was calling for a lockdown before the 2nd lockdown when and Johnson, who ridiculed him for doing so, then weeks later implemented the 2nd lockdown.
 
Essexyellows said:
He only states his position weeks after the event.
If it`s a good outcome.... "I said we should have."
If it`s a bad outcome.... "I said we should have"
He`s not getting called Captain Hindsight for nothing. Still it might stabilise that collapsed red wall.
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And he's still a week ahead of Johnson!
 
Essexyellows said:
He only states his position weeks after the event.
If it`s a good outcome.... "I said we should have."
If it`s a bad outcome.... "I said we should have"
He`s not getting called Captain Hindsight for nothing. Still it might stabilise that collapsed red wall.
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Honestly...you should contact Pritti and see if she'd like to do a double act with you.

I mean...after her comments about the Tories being "ahead of the curve" you two would have them rolling in the aisles[emoji23]
 
Sheik djibouti said:
Honestly...you should contact Pritti and see if she'd like to do a double act with you.

I mean...after her comments about the Tories being "ahead of the curve" you two would have them rolling in the aisles[emoji23]
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In the thought the Welsh handled things well. It’s showing around Europe they also are struggling. I don’t think any world leader has got a grip apart from New Zealand although they have had issues recently. This new strain is starting to creep into other countries.
In another note I feel the U.K. should be placed into tier 4.
 
Banbury2018 said:
He was calling for a week to be added on to half term like the 2 week thing in Wales which worked so well!!!
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Better doing that than only doing it when the numbers are already high. And the unknown with Wales is where they would have been if they hadn't had the extra week.
 
bazzer9461 said:
In another note I feel the U.K. should be placed into tier 4.
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At an absolute minimum. As an example Stoke Mandeville hospital is currently in a worse situation than it was in the spring this year at the height of the first wave.
With cases increasing alarmingly this country is desperately in need of some further decisive action now. Christmas has already cancelled so act now. Cue Boris to do something on or around the 6th Janary 2021. The evidence is out there, if I hear in a weeks time the evidence has changed that will be yet another lie, because you have already been told. Although I do appreciate M/s Symmonds does have other roles that takes up her time.
 
In other more positive news, less people than expected were made redundant in November in the UK. Only 36,000 people (or 3 fishing industries worth) lost their jobs.

And on the fishing deal, it now looks like the whole EU deal hinges on £60million worth of fish.

To put that into context, that's less than 1/3rd of 1 days (or about 2.5 "working hours") cost of the Furlough scheme since it started in April*

*Total cost of Furlough scheme from April 23rd - 15th November = £43 billion = £208,737,864.08 per day (based on 7 days a week, not standard working week): https://www.statista.com/statistics/1122100/uk-cost-of-furlough-scheme/

Sure it's all worth it for "ARE SOVRINTEEE" though....
 
Sheik djibouti said:
In other more positive news, less people than expected were made redundant in November in the UK. Only 36,000 people (or 3 fishing industries worth) lost their jobs.

And on the fishing deal, it now looks like the whole EU deal hinges on £60million worth of fish.

To put that into context, that's less than 1/3rd of 1 days (or about 2.5 "working hours") cost of the Furlough scheme since it started in April*

*Total cost of Furlough scheme from April 23rd - 15th November = £43 billion = £208,737,864.08 per day (based on 7 days a week, not standard working week): https://www.statista.com/statistics/1122100/uk-cost-of-furlough-scheme/

Sure it's all worth it for "ARE SOVRINTEEE" though....
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Fish Lives (and deaths) Matter.
 
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