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[Essexyellows]

And from the BBC as if to confirm it..................

"Hamas-linked media said the car his sons were travelling in was hit in Al-Shati camp near Gaza City.

The group was reportedly on its way to a family celebration to mark the first day of the Muslim holiday of Eid.

A statement from Hamas later said four of Haniyeh's grandchildren - Mona, Amal, Khaled and Razan - were among those killed in what they called the "treacherous and cowardly" strike."

 

[QR]

Hamas using human shields (a war crime)?

Indulge me on this one point. Exactly how have the innocent in this conflict acted in anyway like a shield?

 

[chromeyellow]

Yitzhak Rabin, the last Israeli leader who was committed to a peace settlement was murdered by a far right assassin whose supporters are now part of the current Israeli government. Leah Rabin, his widow always believed Benjamin Netanyahu was responsible for her husband's death because of his extreme rhetoric against her husband.

Now everyone can see that supporters of the current Israeli regime are justifying the mass murder of children. and pretending that that has something to do with "Western Values."

I suppose these may be the values that brought the Irish famine, the trail of tears, and slavery,

I would hope we know better

 

[chromeyellow]

Who says it was deliberate? Hamas - the paragons of virtue?

If a vehicle or people are targeted, legitimately, there maybe other casualties. That is the nature of warfare.

ObL was a raid where targets could be selected by trained personnel which is a tad different to a missile/drone strike.

Don't be even more of a fool than you appear.

Most informed Israeli commentators see Netanyahu's attack to be an attempt to prevent a truce and hostage exchange.

 

[Essexyellows]

Don't be even more of a fool than you appear.

Most informed Israeli commentators see Netanyahu's attack to be an attempt to prevent a truce and hostage exchange.

Remind me who said "deliberate targeting of children is a war crime" ? That was you.

The reality is they were victims of a targeted strike at their parents not them.

Maybe ask yourself if the parents were using them as human shields?

Anyway........... enter Iran stage left or their proxy Hezbollah..... then the fun begins which will make this sorry mess look like a tea party.

 

[MateoCorbo'sTackle]

I can't even quantify how disturbing the assault on Palestinian citizens is. It's impossible.
There are so many things I could say. Just please let it stop. Now.

 

[bashamwonderland]

I can't even quantify how disturbing the assault on Palestinian citizens is. It's impossible.
There are so many things I could say. Just please let it stop. Now.

I'll put a few calls in and see what can be done

 

[MustardYellow]

It's exactly right that we hold Israel to a higher standard. They are not only occupiers, but they are backed by billions of dollars of US weaponry. They style themselves as a western democracy, so they should act like a western democracy.

It is possible to criticise Hamas whilst also criticising Israel's destruction of Palestine. Both things are bad.

Your point about "Israel's right to defend itself" is strange. When you invade another land, this is called "attack". When you protect your land, this is called "defend".

There is no "defend" in this scenario. This is an attack.

They weren't occupiers prior to this war - a war Hamas started.

They're defending themselves by attacking and attempting to defeat their enemy. They're on the offensive. This is a pretty basic concept of war.

 

[QR]

They weren't occupiers prior to this war - a war Hamas started.

They're defending themselves by attacking and attempting to defeat their enemy. They're on the offensive. This is a pretty basic concept of war.

You have an incorrect concept of 'this war'. This war started in 1948/49, you are referring to a battle of this war.

 

[MustardYellow]

Deliberately Killing Children is a war crime.

The US didn't kill Osama bin Laden's children or grandchildren.

Mustard Gas Yellow seems to be a big fan of war crimes,

He is simultanously claiming that Israel is the closest representative of the west in the Middle East and assrerting the right for Israel to slaughter thousands of children in pursuit of its illegal occupation.

They may be your values, and Netanyahu's values.

They aren't what i have understood to be decent or human values, whether Christian, Jewish, Muslim or atheist.

Anyone defending the killing of thousands of children is a monster.

I believe 3 of Bin Laden's sons were killed by the US. One being Hamza bin Laden who was killed in an airstrike. He was a member of Al-Qaeda.

You cannot provide any proof at all that children are being 'deliberately killed' by Israel in Gaza in the context of this war.

 

[MustardYellow]

Indulge me on this one point. Exactly how have the innocent in this conflict acted in anyway like a shield?

Hamas tries to use them as shields by using their homes, schools etc as military tools.

 

[MustardYellow]

You have an incorrect concept of 'this war'. This war started in 1948/49, you are referring to a battle of this war.

Battle, war, whatever you want to call it. Hamas started it this time and are losing.

 

[SteMerritt]

Everybody loses in a war.

 

[QR]

Hamas tries to use them as shields by using their homes, schools etc as military tools.

No. Shields are things that stop things from happening. What you are describing therefore is not a shield; it's an excuse for the cold blooded murder of innocence women and children. Open your fkg eyes!!!

 

[chromeyellow]

Israel a State with somewhere between a hundred and two hundred nuclear weapons is killing civilians including many thousands of children at a rate unprecedented in modern warfare.

Expert witnesses testify to seeing children with mortal wounds inflicted ]by snipers. Many Israeli leaders including the president and prime minister have talked about collective punishment and claimed that everyone in Gaza is responsible for what happened on October 7th

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1778426299712762345

The best you seen to be able to come up with is either “you can’t prove anything “ or “Hamas are responsible for the children Israel slaughters”

Both positions are morally( and I hope legally ) untenable.

Only a monster would defend this.

 

[MateoCorbo'sTackle]

And to "act", you have to show willing. They have no choice.
The fact that this thread isn't called "Israel Hamas conflict" pretty much invalidates the point that Israel are "attacking their enemy"

 

[Essexyellows]

No. Shields are things that stop things from happening. What you are describing therefore is not a shield; it's an excuse for the cold blooded murder of innocence women and children. Open your fkg eyes!!!

Hamas "Tries to" ............. and fails miserably, but carries on as they are all "martyrs to the cause".

The joys of following a medieval death cult eh?

Its the civilians caught in the middle, not knowing if there is a tunnel or command post under their house, school or hospital that I feel sorry for and neither side gives a f**k about them - they are the ever rising toll of collateral damage, because both sides want the other wiped off the face of the Earth.

 

[chromeyellow]

there is ample evidence that Israel in general and Netanyahu in particular has supported and funded Hamas as the last thing they wanted was a secular opposition.

Over the decades Israel has imprisoned or assassinated thousands of Palestinian activists.

The Israeli far right assassinated the leader who wanted to reach a settlement

Peace - as in Northern Ireland or South Africa is achievable but it will involve negotiation.

Those who justify mass murder -on either side- make it less likely

 

[m]

Battle, war, whatever you want to call it. Hamas started it this time and are losing.

Do you ever read back what you write?

 

[Marked Ox]

I don t think you know any of the above to be 100 percent true, you are quoting the BBC which is/has a very anti Israel viewpoint but look I fully understand your viewpoint.
This is an impossible and often devastating conflict and this current one will last in the memory for generations on both sides.

I fully support Israel and that is my right as equally yours is, I have said previously it is a very devisive subject., think I will stick to the football side of things for now.

The BBC are one of many media organisations reporting this, including some Israeli ones, and many international organisations such as the UN or Amnesty have investigated and reported on such. So I'm confident what the BBC and many other organisations are reporting is true as this has been reported on over many years.

Also the settlements in West Bank have already been ruled illegal under international law. The theft of Palestinian land by the Israeli Govt is also fact as they announced it.

You can support Israel as is your choice. You asked the question so I just pointed that Israel is using violence, taking hostages or enabling/supporting settlers to steal land from Palestinians. The same as Hamas bar Hamas aren't helping Palestinian settlers steal Israeli land.

Love to know how the BBC manage to operate with all the biases they are supposed to have.