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It always amazes me that people always state Israel blockades Gaza but never say a word about Egypt. Israel doesn't surround Gaza on all sides so can't be solely responsible for what goes in and out.

It's the Rafah crossing and there is an agreement between Egypt and Israel that means that Israel must approve all imports. Also, Israel bombed the Palestinian side of the crossing in the days after the 7/10 attack.

To this end, Israel are solely responsible for what goes in and out.
 
It's the Rafah crossing and there is an agreement between Egypt and Israel that means that Israel must approve all imports. Also, Israel bombed the Palestinian side of the crossing in the days after the 7/10 attack.

To this end, Israel are solely responsible for what goes in and out.
I'm not talking just about the time from 7th October. As you say, Israel has an agreement with Egypt. Egypt an independent country has chosen to enter an agreement regarding its border with Gaza. To that end it always amazes me that nobody talks about an Egyptian blockade. Clearly Israeli are not solely responsible, as you have pointed out. Why don't people talk about an Egyptian blockade as well? Israel has a lot to answer for but they are not responsible on their own for a blockade of a territory that they don't solely border.
 
I'm not talking just about the time from 7th October. As you say, Israel has an agreement with Egypt. Egypt an independent country has chosen to enter an agreement regarding its border with Gaza. To that end it always amazes me that nobody talks about an Egyptian blockade. Clearly Israeli are not solely responsible, as you have pointed out. Why don't people talk about an Egyptian blockade as well? Israel has a lot to answer for but they are not responsible on their own for a blockade of a territory that they don't solely border.

There is long history over this and goes back to the 6 day war that was officially between Israel and Egypt/Syria/Jordan but was fuelled by the UK and US wanting control over Suez.

The peace deal that was eventually agreed created a buffer zone between the Egyptian/Israel (Gaza) border at the Rafah crossing. The land mass has changed since then with Gaza being increasingly cut off and Israel establishing greater control over any exports/imports.

I'm not pretending that this isn't a hugely complex situation, but Israel still pulls many of the strings in the region and had the military and political support of the West to do so. Egypt were unable to simply open the border and let aid through even without the Israeli bombardment on the Gazan side, and this has been no different for decades.
 
There is long history over this and goes back to the 6 day war that was officially between Israel and Egypt/Syria/Jordan but was fuelled by the UK and US wanting control over Suez.

The peace deal that was eventually agreed created a buffer zone between the Egyptian/Israel (Gaza) border at the Rafah crossing. The land mass has changed since then with Gaza being increasingly cut off and Israel establishing greater control over any exports/imports.

I'm not pretending that this isn't a hugely complex situation, but Israel still pulls many of the strings in the region and had the military and political support of the West to do so. Egypt were unable to simply open the border and let aid through even without the Israeli bombardment on the Gazan side, and this has been no different for decades.
I know the situation very well, I have lots of family in the region
I have been there many times. Legally and technically, Egypt partakes in this blockade. My view is pressure should be put on both Israel and Egypt in regard to Gaza. My view is that the Egyptian government is vehemently opposed to the Muslim Brotherhood and in turn Hamas. Egypt do not want that border open fully and not just because of their relationship with the US and Israel.
 
The hospital being hit by a Hamas rocket was responsible for, in the words of a US intelligence assessment, "probably at the low end of the 100-300 (deaths) spectrum"

Meanwhile, as mentioned, the 33,000 deaths recorded a few weeks ago were of actual identified bodies. There are thousands that are suspected of being beneath buildings or destroyed beyond all recognition.

And Israel are absolutely punishing a civilian population. They have withheld food, water, medication and destroyed hospitals and bombed schools and refugee camps. Border crossings have been blocked that prevent citizens escaping the war zone and aid from coming in, whilst roads have also been destroyed meaning that what little aid is coming in can't be adequately distributed.

Israel have shot children in the street, they also shot their own citizens who were feeling from hostage sites, as well as bombing other sites where hostages were known to have been held. Add in the killings of aid workers, health workers and journalists, and we are seeing every example of collective punishment imaginable.
That's one example. It's estimated between 10-15% of all rockets Hamas have attempted to launch into Israel have fallen short and landed in Gaza, which equates to thousands. It's impossible to know many Palestinians have been killed by these, because unsurprisingly Hamas aren't keeping record of it, but instead adding those deaths onto the tally we see reported daily. And, again, that tally doesn't differentiate between Hamas militants and civilians.

Israel are entitled to bomb schools, hospitals etc if they are being used by the enemy for military purposes. It's looking like this whole situation will be reviewed by the ICJ. When the time comes, if Israel can produce evidence of the sites you mentioned being used by the enemy for military purposes, or to gain a military advantage, they will be cleared of wrongdoing.

Regardless of which side of the issue you fall though, the biggest sticking point is proving intent. If you believe Israel are intentionally starving a civilian population for example, can it be proven? Israel will almost certainly say any delay to the process of getting aid into Gaza was a matter of security, not an unwillingness to feed civilians. Unless this can be proven otherwise with actual proof, not just people's opinions, then it's a non-starter in international courts.
 
That's one example. It's estimated between 10-15% of all rockets Hamas have attempted to launch into Israel have fallen short and landed in Gaza, which equates to thousands. It's impossible to know many Palestinians have been killed by these, because unsurprisingly Hamas aren't keeping record of it, but instead adding those deaths onto the tally we see reported daily. And, again, that tally doesn't differentiate between Hamas militants and civilians.

Israel are entitled to bomb schools, hospitals etc if they are being used by the enemy for military purposes. It's looking like this whole situation will be reviewed by the ICJ. When the time comes, if Israel can produce evidence of the sites you mentioned being used by the enemy for military purposes, or to gain a military advantage, they will be cleared of wrongdoing.

Regardless of which side of the issue you fall though, the biggest sticking point is proving intent. If you believe Israel are intentionally starving a civilian population for example, can it be proven? Israel will almost certainly say any delay to the process of getting aid into Gaza was a matter of security, not an unwillingness to feed civilians. Unless this can be proven otherwise with actual proof, not just people's opinions, then it's a non-starter in international courts.
this is not true. the Occupying power has an absolute duty to ensure that the people it controls have enough to eat.

israeli historian Ilan Pappe talks about the history of Gaza

 
this is not true. the Occupying power has an absolute duty to ensure that the people it controls have enough to eat.

israeli historian Ilan Pappe talks about the history of Gaza

Israel had no military presence in Gaza prior to the war, and it has it's own government and government agencies. It was not 'under the authority of a hostile army'. Gaza isn't occupied.
 
I didn't say under the authority of a hostile army. but it is clearly under israeli control in law and in fact. Israel withdrew its settlements in Gaza but continues to determine who can go in and out. (Israel destroyed the Gaza airport) it also regularly shoots demonstrators at the border
 
I didn't say under the authority of a hostile army. but it is clearly under israeli control in law and in fact. Israel withdrew its settlements in Gaza but continues to determine who can go in and out. (Israel destroyed the Gaza airport) it also regularly shoots demonstrators at the border
Israel are perfectly entitled to control who enters their country, as are Egypt who also restrict movement across the border. Those are the only 2 countries Gaza shares a border with - is the expectation that Israel and Egypt should just allow any and all Palestinians to move freely into their countries?
 
Israel is the occupying power. Gaza is not a country.

The vast majority of people living in Gaza are descendants of people who used to live in what is now Israel- refugees who fled war and massacre, and are claiming the right to return to the properties that used to belong to them
 
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I didn't say under the authority of a hostile army. but it is clearly under israeli control in law and in fact. Israel withdrew its settlements in Gaza but continues to determine who can go in and out. (Israel destroyed the Gaza airport) it also regularly shoots demonstrators at the border
Israel and Egypt control who goes in and out, not just Israel.
 
Israel and Egypt control who goes in and out, not just Israel.
And they control them because they're border countries, in the same way most other countries in the world control who enters their county from states bordering them.
 
And they control them because they're border countries, in the same way most other countries in the world control who enters their county from states bordering them.
Gaza is not a country.

The united kingdom doesn't control everything that goes in and out of ireland
 
That's one example. It's estimated between 10-15% of all rockets Hamas have attempted to launch into Israel have fallen short and landed in Gaza, which equates to thousands.

Youre making this up.
It's impossible to know many Palestinians have been killed by these, because unsurprisingly Hamas aren't keeping record of it, but instead adding those deaths onto the tally we see reported daily. And, again, that tally doesn't differentiate between Hamas militants and civilians.

Afre you claiming that the thousands of children who have been killed are Hamas militants?
Israel are entitled to bomb schools, hospitals etc if they are being used by the enemy for military purposes

No it's not. it's a war crime. they have to take reasonable precautions to protect the civilian population/


. It's looking like this whole situation will be reviewed by the ICJ. When the time comes, if Israel can produce evidence of the sites you mentioned being used by the enemy for military purposes, or to gain a military advantage, they will be cleared of wrongdoing.

the Foreign Press Association has complained that no foreign press is allowed into Gaza
Regardless of which side of the issue you fall though, the biggest sticking point is proving intent. If you believe Israel are intentionally starving a civilian population for example, can it be proven? Israel will almost certainly say any delay to the process of getting aid into Gaza was a matter of security, not an unwillingness to feed civilians. Unless this can be proven otherwise with actual proof, not just people's opinions, then it's a non-starter in international courts.

15 judges at the ICJ have already said there is a plausible case to answer on genocide. 600 hundred very senior legal figures in the UK have said Britain must stop supplying arms
 
About twice as many children have died in the Israeli 6 months assault on Gaza than died in the German bombing of London from 1939 - 1945.

Gaza is about a quarter the size

the number of child deaths in Gaza in those 6 months is FIVE times the total number of children 2,985 killed across 24 countries in 2022.
 

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Youre making this up.


Afre you claiming that the thousands of children who have been killed are Hamas militants?


No it's not. it's a war crime. they have to take reasonable precautions to protect the civilian population/




the Foreign Press Association has complained that no foreign press is allowed into Gaza


15 judges at the ICJ have already said there is a plausible case to answer on genocide. 600 hundred very senior legal figures in the UK have said Britain must stop supplying arms
1) Nope. We all have access to google. Taken from a New York Times article: 'Between 10 and 20 percent of Hamas’s rockets fail and fall into Gaza, Human Rights Watch said in a recent report, sometimes killing Palestinians.

2) Nope. Never claimed that.

3) Nope, it isn't. Research the difference between civilian and military targets. They have to take 'reasonable precautions', but what's 'reasonable' is subjective and it doesn't involve no civilian casualties at all. You can take 'reasonable precaution' and still have civilian casualties, legally.

4) It's a war zone.

5) 'A plausible case' does not mean it's happening.
 
„Israel says“

Think you need better sources than that my old mate- also involved killing his grandchildren
 
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