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[bazzer9461]

Then the podcast might surprise you.

Ok for him to label comparing Tory Brexeteers to Nazis.
No the blokes a plum.

 

[Sarge]

Ok for him to label comparing Tory Brexeteers to Nazis.
No the blokes a plum.

to be fair @bazzer9461 the current Tory party's unelected, non party member, puppeteer Dominic Cummings, ( who is more equal than you , or I nor the majority of UK residents), draws his manipulative RR propaganda techniques directly from those used and refined by Josef Gobbels back in the 1930s/40s

 

[Essexyellows]

Barnier is waffling well on the news.......
"The EU will not foot the bill for UK political choices"............

"Can`t agree on fisheries and "level playing field"."

"The time for answers is running out."

Here you go Mr B ..... our waters our fish and if we want to provide state aid to support our industries we will.

Good job I`m not on the negotiating team.

 

[Gary Baldi]

Barnier is waffling well on the news.......
"The EU will not foot the bill for UK political choices"............

"Can`t agree on fisheries and "level playing field"."

"The time for answers is running out."

Here you go Mr B ..... our waters our fish and if we want to provide state aid to support our industries we will.

Good job I`m not on the negotiating team.

And nor we will we for theirs!

The funny thing is, the Sunday Times reported at the weekend that agreement was 80% done! I suspect it's the fact we now have a proper negotiating team in place means we aren't rolling over for a tummy tickle in negotiations.

After all, the bailout for Southern Europe won't pay for itself, especially with a no deal!

 

[bashamwonderland]

I'd imagine some British farmers will have to 'go back to school' in order to learn new skills when they are priced out of the market and their livelihoods disappear as inferior but cheaper inports flood in. It's all immaterial now as the damage is done.

Our wool farmers are burning or composting their wool because it costs them money to package it and sell it at something like 30p per kilo.

Our milk farmers are committing suicide and going out of business at a rate of knots because they can't get an appropriate rate for their milk.

This has been happening for some time. You are probably right to say the damage has already been done - our fruit veg and animal produce is mostly produced abroad for peanuts, and grown by North African or Eastern European workers earning a fraction of the minimum wage here in the UK.

 

[Essexyellows]

"The UK is due to stop following EU "state aid" rules at the end of the transition period, and has not unveiled details of its subsequent regime. "

That is a bit like we are leaving the club but they still want us to abide by their rules. How about "Mind your own business Mr Barnier" ?

"And to a balanced agreement on fisheries"

See that 12 mile nautical line? When those fish are inside it they are "ours" when they are outside they are "yours" we will look after ours and may share or trade them with you thank you. That's what other independent coastal states like Norway do.

 

[QR]

Our wool farmers are burning or composting their wool because it costs them money to package it and sell it at something like 30p per kilo.

Our milk farmers are committing suicide and going out of business at a rate of knots because they can't get an appropriate rate for their milk.

This has been happening for some time. You are probably right to say the damage has already been done - our fruit veg and animal produce is mostly produced abroad for peanuts, and grown by North African or Eastern European workers earning a fraction of the minimum wage here in the UK.

You describing globalisation which is what Thatcher always wanted.

 

[Sheik djibouti]

Yes...the fishing industry really is vital to our wider economy.....
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/fishing-industry-in-2018-statistics-published

And I didn't think the Tories liked the state propping up uncompetitive, unprofitable industry (rail, coal, steel...car...you name it)...why the change of heart?....is it coz they is british (in name only)??

 

[QR]

See that 12 mile nautical line? When those fish are inside it they are "ours" when they are outside they are "yours" we will look after ours and may share or trade them with you thank you. That's what other independent coastal states like Norway do.

Let's hope the paper word isn't too onerous. Bloody bureaucracy hey.

 

[Sheik djibouti]

The travesty of the wool industry is that it is such a valuable resource as it has so many useful properties, but all farmers can now do is dispose of it because its global value is so low.

And to add insult to injury, we're all getting OH so concerned about microplastics in our environment, in our bodies, just about every f-ing where and yet here we all are strutting around in our man-made fibres, washing that sh!t down the drain and out into the rivers and oceans every time we stick them in the washing machine.

We are a bunch of f##king stupid apes intent on destruction when all is said and done!

 

[QR]

"The UK is due to stop following EU "state aid" rules at the end of the transition period, and has not unveiled details of its subsequent regime. "

State aid rules basically stops governments giving financial support to company a and not company b purely on the basis of who they like. E. G party donors, why is this a bad thing?

 

[Sheik djibouti]

State aid rules basically stops governments giving financial support to company a and not company b purely on the basis of who they like. E. G party donors, why is this a bad thing?

Easy....because it doesn't allow the Tories to help their donors out!

You've effectively answered your own question there - this is all about nepotism, back-slapping and palm-greasing.

 

[Marked Ox]

State aid rules basically stops governments giving financial support to company a and not company b purely on the basis of who they like. E. G party donors, why is this a bad thing?

Doesn't stop them trying to force through planning permission for the party donors though...

 

[Sarge]

Doesn't stop them trying to force through planning permission for the party donors though...

or spaffing taxpayers money with little or no scrutiny ...

Alok Sharma ignored official who feared OneWeb satellite deal was a waste of £400m

The business secretary forced through the £400 million purchase of a bankrupt satellite company even though his top civil servant said that all the money could be lost.Alok Sharma pointed to “wider, less quantifiable benefits of signalling UK ambition and influence on the global stage” as he told o

www.thetimes.co.uk

 

[QR]

or spaffing taxpayers money with little or no scrutiny ...

Alok Sharma ignored official who feared OneWeb satellite deal was a waste of £400m

The business secretary forced through the £400 million purchase of a bankrupt satellite company even though his top civil servant said that all the money could be lost.Alok Sharma pointed to “wider, less quantifiable benefits of signalling UK ambition and influence on the global stage” as he told o

www.thetimes.co.uk

And if they do ask this with status aid rules in place..... ??. I'm looking forward to Essexyellows' responce.

 

[Whingit]

The whole MO of this govt is to embezzle as much money as they possibly can to their mates.

 

[Essexyellows]

And if they do ask this with status aid rules in place..... ??. I'm looking forward to Essexyellows' responce.

Depends on your sources and the understanding/vision of what may come out of it.

U.K. Government Wins Controversial Bid For Bankrupt Mega Constellation Firm OneWeb

A consortium including the U.K. government has won an auction to purchase the bankrupt mega constellation company OneWeb, it has been announced today, Friday, July 3, despite some confusion over what the company’s existing satellites will actually be used for.

www.forbes.com

"A consortium including the U.K. government has won an auction to purchase the bankrupt space internet mega constellation company OneWeb it has been announced today, Friday, July 3, despite some confusion over what the company’s satellites will actually be used for.

The winning $1 billion bid was from a consortium led by Indian conglomerate Bharti Enterprises, with $500 million expected to come from the U.K. government. The U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the Southern District of New York will decide whether to approve the sale by Friday, July 10.

“This deal underlines the scale of Britain’s ambitions on the global stage,” U.K. Business Secretary Alok Sharma said in a statement."

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/902925/OneWeb_-_ministerial_direction.pdf

UK government to acquire cutting-edge satellite network

Government leads a successful bid to acquire OneWeb which develops cutting-edge satellite technology in the UK and in the US.

www.gov.uk

I`m no space expert but we may have picked up a bargain with the ability and kit to deliver the tech.

 

[bashamwonderland]

You describing globalisation which is what Thatcher always wanted.

Even the best make mistakes

 

[bazzer9461]

to be fair @bazzer9461 the current Tory party's unelected, non party member, puppeteer Dominic Cummings, ( who is more equal than you , or I nor the majority of UK residents), draws his manipulative RR propaganda techniques directly from those used and refined by Josef Gobbels back in the 1930s/40s

Cummings is just a power hungry t**t

 

[carefreeoufc]

Even the best make mistakes

The Milk Marketing Board was scrapped as it was classed as a monopoly by the Gov. in the early 90s the board was able to control production and minimum pricing.

Since then the dairy industry has seen gradual reductions in the price of milk (as low as 14-16p per litre depending on who you sell to). The prices have been driven down by certain supermarkets and also wholesale milk distributors (Freshways, Dairycrest etc).

The price of milk is not decided by the EU nor is it driven down by milk produced and sent from foreign countries. It’s driven down because the producers are basically told you accept this price and you deliver your 4000L or whatever twice per day, every day or we go somewhere else.

As a result of this many family farms have either been swallowed up by larger robot dairies or commercial producers. You really need a herd of around 200 plus minimum and you need a contract with someone like Waitrose for a decent price.

Yours, Son, Grandson, Great Grandson and Great Great Grandson of one of the last profitable (id imagine) dairy farms in Oxfordshire.