We have to be creative?

Ox4Eva

Ox4Eva

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Just read the latest article from the OM where KR said we would not be spending £400k or £500k on anyone. There would be a need to be creative with deals which I can understand.

It did say that any deals will be run by Tiger on a case by case basis, but i thought there had been a long meeting to agree a transfer budget already?
 
Not sure what to make of this.

I’m always a bit nervous when managers etc make statements like we’re going to get our business done early and then don’t.

Edit: Thinking about it. We know players and agents are very mercenary. Even if you think about it from you’re own perspective it doesn’t work.
You’re offered 2 jobs by 2 different companies both playing similar money.
Company one will pay you 500k per year whether your sick, crap at your job or the company is doing badly.
Company two will pay you 100k per year but only if the rest of the workers are good at their jobs, you don’t fall ill and the company does better than most of the other companies in the same sector. All of which you have no direct control over. So you might get 500k or you might get 100k.

I know which job I’d accept and I think the players and agents will too.
 
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This seems like another oxmail story for the sake of writing stories to be honest. Slow news week.

We won’t be spending 400-500k on players . Right ok well we’ve only ever done that twice in our entire history so not exactly ground breaking news that.

We’re going to have to be creative, oh what and sign young relatively untried players on model for fairly small fees, like

Lunny
Branagan
Ledson
Dickie
Rothwell
Nelson
Roofe
 
Yes it does seem like a bit of rowing back. Agents and players asking for too much? I hope I'm wrong but the initial excitement of early signings seems to be fading and the mention of a 31-year-old goes against what I thought was a policy of signing young, hungry players.
 
If you were a good player you wouldn't commit to anything strait away would you until all the offers were on the table and considered because you don't have to. We have this every summer but as contracts don't end until the end of June everything goes quiet until later part of the month. I would expect a very busy last week of June.
 
Ox4Eva said:
Unless my memory is wrong I am sure KR said that he had spent hours in a meeting with Tiger agreeing the transfer budget?

I am certainly not expecting us to spend silly money but that seems like backtracking to me..
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What if they agreed in the budget meeting that they wouldn’t be spending 400-500k on players ?
 
Dave T said:
What if they agreed in the budget meeting that they wouldn’t be spending 400-500k on players ?
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That would be expected i reckon, but not having to run target's past Tiger on a case by case basis..
 
Dave T said:
What if they agreed in the budget meeting that they wouldn’t be spending 400-500k on players ?
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That’s not agreeing the budget. And why not come out and say that after the meeting.

It appears that the goal posts have moved which we all know caused us a problem last season, and that’s without them moving!
 
well given Eastwood was meant to have signed having either seen or been told the calibre of players we are targeting then one assumes that amongst them there were "gems" that were either going to command a fee or be fairly high wage earners?
 
uptheus said:
Dave T said:
Spot on . We could even sign 10 @ 250k [emoji16]
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Believe when I see it.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want to see us spending silly money or money at all if we don’t have to, that goes without saying, but again, fairly strange comments from KR a few weeks after his initial comments.
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Appleton came out and said the same things every summer. “Want most of our deals done by May” “won’t be spending large fees” that didn’t work out to bad did it. And we then went and spent a record transfer fee on Johnson.

It’s talking about being clever like with roofe, agreeing a decent fee but on sale not up front, or larger sell ons. It’s meant we have got some very good players in the last few years without spending big.

People are getting worked up by not spending big on one player.

We spent 250k on Nelson, thats being clever.
 
Dave T said:
Appleton came out and said the same things every summer. “Want most of our deals done by May” “won’t be spending large fees” that didn’t work out to bad did it. And we then went and spent a record transfer fee on Johnson.

It’s talking about being clever like with roofe, agreeing a decent fee but on sale not up front, or larger sell ons. It’s meant we have got some very good players in the last few years without spending big.

People are getting worked up by not spending big on one player.

We spent 250k on Nelson, thats being clever.
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No, nobody is expecting us to spend big...
 
Eaststandboy said:
He means £400k-£500k on a single player, doesn't he?:We may get 3-4 in at a combined £650k though.

Wigan spent hardly anything on transfer fees let season and look at them.
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Thats because they already had the basis of a very good team, although not to Championship level.
 
malcolmsmoustache said:
I have thought from day one that Tiger is full of bs, and actually doesn't have the money behind him. Nothing I have heard, or seen, since then makes me change my mind.....
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Have you thought about all the improved off field infrastructure that's been created since Tiger has been here?
A bit of a harsh statement this early how longs the transfer window been open? lets wait until the transfer window closes and then judge on the squads potential.
 
LondonRoader said:
Have you thought about all the improved off field infrastructure that's been created since Tiger has been here?
A bit of a harsh statement this early how longs the transfer window been open? lets wait until the transfer window closes and then judge on the squads potential.
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Listen, I hope I am wrong. But the bloke came in with all sorts of grandiose statements, and set the bar pretty high. I think KR is a perfectly decent appointment but he is not a WOW appointment (whatever that was supposed to mean). And I know that we are in the close season etc., but if Tiger really had the funds, we would have gone out and signed (for example) Otzumer from Walsall, who is out of contract and is one of the best (if not the best) midfielders in L1. That would be a statement of intent- but instead all we have so far have a full back from King's Lynn.....if we have signed 4-5 really decent L1 players in the next few weeks, then I will be happy to say I was wrong. But so far, I smell a lot of bs and have seen not much else tbh.
 
I said on a different thread that I do find the slight change in KR comments etc. slightly concerning. I expect that the forthcoming off season period will answer quite a few questions/put to bed whether Tiger has the financial clout to have us competing in and around the play offs.

Either way come the start of the season we'll definitely have answers whether we like them or not.

I have far more faith in KR to find quality players at a reduced budget, however, Tiger is still an unknown quantity.
 
If we know we have a new owner so will clubs. They'll start trying their luck and inflating prices to see what they can get. Especially after the noises, Tiger was making when we came in. Why wouldn't they? I suspect if a new owner came in at another club, talked about being ambitious and then tried to sign one of our players this forum would be frothing at the mouth to drive the price higher.

Anyone who after all the initial excitement still believed Tiger was some sort of cash-rich sugar daddy who was going to be spending £££££££££ to get us up the leagues might need a reality check.

He came in saying suggesting certain things, probably because he was bloody excited to own a football club he see's as having potential and the language issue. I can forgive him for that, I'd be the same if I purchased a Thai club. He is ambitious and things do seem to be moving forward... I mean look at the changes off the pitch and away from the football. Baby steps but positives steps.

However, I understand the frustration at lack of movement on the field... We all want shiny new signings especially with players leaving and, well, our front line. But as far as I'm concerned it's a smart move by KR.

Hey, we have a new man in charge who has sad some ambitious and potentially silly things but actually, not a lot has changed. We're not Man City, we will pay what we can and not above.

Happy for KR to be creative. I have faith in the guy to deliver at this level - which isn't always about spending big.

Anyway, I can't bloody wait for us to sign Messi.
 
I would love for the club to come out an openly tell us how the transfer fees earned from Roofe, Johnson, O'Dowda, Lundstrum...etc over the past few years have been spent

This would give us an indication as to what proportion of the funds from the recent signings are to be allocated to the current playing budget.

saying i'm not spending £400k on a player doesn't mean anything, as the wages are worth more than that , as are % sell ons and agent fees etc....so the initial fee is irrelevent.

I appreciate KR's attempt at clarity and transparency, but you can't just show one piece of the puzzle - give him time, granted, but having the transfers all wrapped up and done early doors is looking less and less likely as the days pass with the squad travelling to Eire in only a few weeks.

I hope Samir Carruthers signs, but we desperately need some decent strikers if we're going to have any hope of competing in what i believe is going to be a more competitive league than last season (top 2 were basically wrapped up by xmas)

COYY
 
Very hard to make a judgement at this stage. Otzumer (to give just one example) has indicated his desire to play at a a higher level. I would be very surprised if he were prepared to sign for a L1 side on L1 wages at this stage of the transfer window. I agree all the 'non-news' news stories are thoroughly frustrating, but at the end of the day, I suspect at this stage there is a lot of posturing (on both sides), and players holding out for the best deal. Bear in mind that most of our best signings since returning to the league have met with puzzlement from fans (Rob Dickie, Ryan Ledson), and where we have splashed the cash, to the wild excitement of fans, the outcome has been less successful - Hemmings & Johnson.
 
oldabingdonian said:
Very hard to make a judgement at this stage. Otzumer (to give just one example) has indicated his desire to play at a a higher level. I would be very surprised if he were prepared to sign for a L1 side on L1 wages at this stage of the transfer window. I agree all the 'non-news' news stories are thoroughly frustrating, but at the end of the day, I suspect at this stage there is a lot of posturing (on both sides), and players holding out for the best deal. Bear in mind that most of our best signings since returning to the league have met with puzzlement from fans (Rob Dickie, Ryan Ledson), and where we have splashed the cash, to the wild excitement of fans, the outcome has been less successful - Hemmings & Johnson.
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Tbf Johnson was a success and we made a shedload of profit on him. How he engineered his move was a letdown but utterly predictable based on what he had done in the past.
 
We are still in the phony war section of the close season. Players (and their agents) are trying to get the best (most lucrative/convenient) deals and clubs are trying to keep the prices down of those they want to buy and up of those they might sell. It's the same every year - the silver lining this year is that the transfer window doesn't go a month into the season proper. It would be very disappointing if we didn't make significant signings before the Ireland trip, and for me that is the first milestone.
 
malcolmsmoustache said:
But the bloke came in with all sorts of grandiose statements, and set the bar pretty high...........
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Really? Such as?

malcolmsmoustache said:
........but if Tiger really had the funds, we would have gone out and signed (for example) Otzumer from Walsall, who is out of contract and is one of the best (if not the best) midfielders in L1.
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Absurd example. You don't think Otzumer might have other offers? Walsall did the double over us last season and finished a short distance behind us - do you not think me might even consider other (apparently better*) clubs regardless of what we offered him?

Nothing the chairman said implied that we were going to be league 1 Galácticos.


*obviously no club actually is better.
 
m said:
Really? Such as?



Absurd example. You don't think Otzumer might have other offers? Walsall did the double over us last season and finished a short distance behind us - do you not think me might even consider other (apparently better*) clubs regardless of what we offered him?

Nothing the chairman said implied that we were going to be league 1 Galácticos.


*obviously no club actually is better.
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Nope. He will go where the money is. Like 90% of professional footballers
 
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