Current Staff Robinsons future - Change of view?

[Mellowyellow]

With a lot of water having passed under the bridge in the last couple of months, it would be interesting to see how peoples opinions have changed perspective.

 

[Essexyellows]

Meh.

Neither here nor there. He does the community/club stuff well.
Screws up almost every transfer window and dashes our dreams every season either with a crap start, a dull mid-season, or a weak ending.
Then factor in the Big Fish in the league and he is neither over achieving or under achieving.
And his view of games is often far different to the reality.

 

[Manorlounger]

Needs a vote.

 

[Mellowyellow]

Needs a vote.

Obliged.

 

[Manorlounger]

Obliged.

And voted.

 

[werthersoriginal]

Really hard to say, I want us to do well and hope it’s with him as I’ve enjoyed his team’s style until this season. But we are dreadful now after a perplexing window- mainly I’d like to know what he thinks he’s playing at.

 

[Leysboy]

No point in waiting until the end of October, for players to return, because we will have fresh injuries at that point.

I wouldn’t give him the season, even if we are in danger of relegation….

Doncaster Rovers we’re a play off team not long ago, and look where they are now. You can easily sleepwalk into the trapdoor.

The change has to come now. We need someone in with fresh ideas, and someone that will work under a DOF, and bring some experienced new coaches in. No disrespect to Short and Brown. It needs a fresh start, and get this club moving in the right direction.

 

[bazzer9461]

Voted

 

[Essexyellows]

This will only go one of four ways....................

 

[Beech Road Bokelberg]

Can we get to 1,000 pages?

 

[Malc]

Can we get to 1,000 pages?

No. We do not need another KR thread.

 

[Sarge]

not voted - as KR needs a DoF would be my option

 

[Nadi-]

Have never thought he was good enough to take us to the next level.
And lately doing his best to prove me right.
Tactically and result wise outthought by top 6 managers, when having a more than capable sqaud over the last couple of seasons.
With his own mismanagement this summer, will have to prove he’s better than the bottom 6 this season.

 

[Oxford1996]

I think the majority would agree he shouldn’t be here next season unless he pulls off a miraculous turnaround. It’s been done before but I’ve never felt like we’ve been at this low of a point. The football this season is the worst I’ve seen it for years. Even Clotet’s was better!

I’d be amazed if he got us top half based on the last 6 months. It’s all been down hill since that McNally equaliser v Ipswich. Something has changed massively.

 

[Nadi-]

not voted - as KR needs a DoF would be my option

Departure of fazackerley

 

[werthersoriginal]

I think the majority would agree he shouldn’t be here next season unless he pulls off a miraculous turnaround. It’s been done before but I’ve never felt like we’ve been at this low of a point. The football this season is the worst I’ve seen it for years. Even Clotet’s was better!

I’d be amazed if he got us top half based on the last 6 months. It’s all been down hill since that McNally equaliser v Ipswich. Something has changed massively.

Can’t disagree with you there. We went suddenly from flowing and brilliant to hoofing and terrible. Just really puzzling, apart from the transfer shenanigans

 

[Northstandboy]

Can anyone see this??

 

[MJB]

Can anyone see this??

See what?

 

[unification]

Robinson doesn’t have the ability to take us up. By that logic, what’s the point in prolonging the agony?

Time for a change. The new person should be brought in via a proper recruitment process. The conditions that they’ll work under will be commitment to develop youth/‘model’ prospects, have a defined plan to get us promoted automatically and - in the short term - retain our status in League 1 for this season. Targeted signings should be specific, realistic and achievable. Previous management experience is desirable but not essential. We want someone with a vision and with a the skill set to achieve it.

We should be an exciting prospect for a lot of lower league managers . For all the criticism aimed at KR over the last few weeks, he remains to me to be a committed and competent manager who has implemented a lot of positive aspects to the club. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. Use what’s here to improve things further.

 

[Pompeyyellows]

I originally said give him to Xmas, and then reasess. Now he has to go. Gutted to have to say that but enough is enough.

 

[Paul Cannell]

See what?

Is it a squirrel?

 

[werthersoriginal]

If you were going to change manager it would either be right now, with two weeks off, or wait to see how we are when some injured players return, allegedly for the Charlton match in a fortnight.

 

[Paul Cannell]

I would say right now but I fear he's got his acolytes in all the positions that could take over at short notice. And they're yes men, of no account.

Fuck it,do it! Now.

 

[Lundinsponytail]

I would say right now but I fear he's got his acolytes in all the positions that could take over at short notice. And they're yes men, of no account.

f**k it,do it! Now.

The issue is: you would love to see him.deliver a clear analysis of what is wrong, take some personal responsibility for mistakes he has made and offer a determined commitment to improve.
Instead, it's just a weekly burble about injuries. And a burble that doesnt really even stand up if you do believe that injury excuses are a valid way to improve matters (in my view, by implicitly telling your current players they arent good enough you are already failing as a manager).
But..... that aside...... it doesnt even really stack up here. Taylor? Shortly before injury he had brought Joseph in from.the Champ and immediately dropped Taylor. Joseph was his intended first choice. Moore is one journeymen defender amongst many journeymen defenders we have. Given the numbers of goals conceded when he has been on the pitch it strains credibility to somehow imply that his return is an epochal event.
So you are left with Wildschut and Murphy. Who could be better than what we have...... but let's not pretend that Browne and Bodin were signed to be reserved. They are both former Championship players.
Joseph, Bodin, Browne, Brannagan, McGuane....... those arent a bunch of newbies.
So what's the problem? The problem.is utterly haphazard recruitment has led to an unbalanced squad which has so little discernible natural shape and pattern of play as to be deeply concerning.
18th place is bad enough. But if you adjust for quality of opposition (we have only played Plymouth of the real promotion contenders) I make us 22nd..... with a top 7 budget.
The buck has to stop somewhere for that.

 

[greatunclekip]

Nailed it ^^^ in any management position, accountability is key.

Talk us through the challenges, give us an idea you have a coherent plan for how to deal with it to get us out of this mess and some slack will be cut.

Moore and Taylor are consistent performers but they were part of the side which crumbled under Karl's inspiring leadership last year. Wildschut, Murphy- who knows what to expect- but I doubt it will be miracles.

Feels like at least a vote of confidence or something is needed, just so we know that someone is actually even bothered as we slide to an away trip to Rochdale.

 

[Andy1505]

I'm actually wondering now if the coaching staff are actually good enough as well as KR? Short was a defender but can't seem to coach our lot to defend properly, Brown seems to be taking Eastwood backwards and I'm never convinced by any of the drills they do in warm ups, and I have to ask is LBS experienced enough at this level? I'm not sure.....if Faz is still around then his wise head doesn't seem to be having any effect.....
.....so as Mous seems to genuinely care about this club I say give him a go as interim manager until we can recruit through a proper, structured recruitment process.
KR 's biggest downfall is his recruitment over a number of years and a failure to build a balanced squad with strength in depth and not as many crocks! That's why I think his time is up at the club we all love.

 

[Joey]

Robinson doesn’t have the ability to take us up. By that logic, what’s the point in prolonging the agony?

Time for a change. The new person should be brought in via a proper recruitment process. The conditions that they’ll work under will be commitment to develop youth/‘model’ prospects, have a defined plan to get us promoted automatically and - in the short term - retain our status in League 1 for this season. Targeted signings should be specific, realistic and achievable. Previous management experience is desirable but not essential. We want someone with a vision and with a the skill set to achieve it.

We should be an exciting prospect for a lot of lower league managers . For all the criticism aimed at KR over the last few weeks, he remains to me to be a committed and competent manager who has implemented a lot of positive aspects to the club. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. Use what’s here to improve things further.

Is it possible to super like a post? This nails it for me, I think even the most KR sympathetic would have said pre season that playoffs were an absolute minimum. We aren't going to make that so if he's going to be gone at the end of the season then why not get someone in now to have a run at things, also with the benefit that we don't have the same man in charge for another transfer window as recently they've only served to take us further away from where we need to be. I can't have the argument that we started a previous season worse and still made the playoffs and I sincerely hope the board have much higher standards than that.

With KR, Appleton and Wilder all pretty recent we've got a history of giving managers time and by all accounts a large budget and almost no expectations for the rest of this season, as well as having a core of some decent players at this level. We should be an attractive proposition but it needs a proper recruitment process. There are names out there who are unemployed, people doing a good job at teams with lesser resources and I'm certain that there will be people coaching/managing youth teams at the top level who want to take over a club of their own like McKenna/Critchley etc. A lack of imagination is no reason to stick with what you know, especially when what you know almost guarantees no progression.

 

[uptheus]

If you were going to change manager it would either be right now, with two weeks off, or wait to see how we are when some injured players return, allegedly for the Charlton match in a fortnight.

But these players are not going to come back match fit, so I don’t think one game (Charlton away) will be a good measure. We saw what the team was like with Moore, Taylor and Murphy playing in the first few games and it was poor then, so I see no reason that it’s going to suddenly change.

The issue is, we didn’t address the priority positions (full backs), recognised striker, physical, athletic players who have played regularly e.g. not coming back from long term injuries etc. We didn’t get them in the door early so they could adapt/gel etc in preseason so giving them more chance to hit the ground running from the off, hence the poor starts Karl tends to have.

Karl has not learnt by previous mistakes that he himself recognised after losing to Blackpool, and since then he’s has 3 transfer windows to address this and failed miserably.

 

[Symp59]

Absolutely right after Blackpool he knew what we needed and has never addressed it .The teams are exactly like we all thought at the start of the season filling the top spots .But I think we might be there how wrong have we been .The trouble is it was a bad finish and a poor start the form table from the last 8 games of last season and the new do not make good reading. I like him but we are in the mire until January and the next 6 games are tough.I would sadly say he's taken us about as far as we can go.

 

[ZeroTheHero]

With some regret, I voted for the 'go now' option.

Regret because I think we have seen some entertaining (if ultimately frustrating) football over his time with us. As a character he isn't my cup of tea, but then neither was Wilder and I don't have to like a manager to recognise what they have done for us. The problem I have is that the arc of his achievement with us is definitely downwards, and his weaknesses (odd signings, bizarre man management, speaking gibberish, putting players in the wrong positions, poor starts to the season etc) are now becoming his defining features rather than any quality on the pitch. I do also worry that he has (probably deliberately) made himself so much a one-man show that it is not healthy for the club.

I's also like to add one other stat to show how wrong it has gone. In our nine league games we have scored 8 times - just three of those have come from open play, one every three games.

On current showing, I certainly do not think we are 'too good to go down'.