Robinson is a clown

KR is,hopefully still the man, BUT he needs to come out and admit mistakes have been made.
How he makes amends, G only knows.
Mackie is 60%fit (his words)
He was brought in by SHAUN Derry.
KR has admitted they got it wrong, to paraphrase “ Mackie can’t play on the wing, he can’t run”
So two mistakes there SD & Mackie.
Hall unfortunately a mistake.
Garbett & McMahon both mistakes.
Holmes ?
Coyy’s


Oh yeah, admitting certain players were mistakes would be a superb idea, little short of genius in fact.

Semi-amusing to note that that those who 'followed the model', Garbutt, or were 'proven at this level', McMahon, have been slower to find their feet than the 'U23/cheap/non-model/no experience' panic buys of Norman and Whyte.

Paraphrasing is different to making things up by the way.
 
2018 The story so far...

Change of ownership
Change of Manager
Change of backroom staff
Change of Training Facility, which was delayed until now
Changed most of the squad due to previous calamitous managers mistakes
Change of Main Sponsor
Lose 2 key midfielders - Ledson and Rothwell
Lose 4 key first team players - Carruthers, Eastwood, Hall & Holmes out injured within 2 games of new season starting.

Any of the KR doomsayers want to say which other manager in the EFL would have hit the ground running in the same circumstances?

Agree a couple of the new players performances e.g Garbutt and Mackie are particularly concerning. However Whyte, Norman, Browne & Baptiste look very promising, even in a struggling side.

It’s been 4 league games people. Get real.
 
Paraphrasing is different to making things up by the way.
“ The days of Jamie boosting down the wing are maybe over”
Should have said -He can’t run (fast anymore)
Agree your point on White and Norman - both showed early promise in Ireland.
 
You are actually blaming KR for Hall's injuries!? You are aware he was signed by Appleton?
Well aware and also that he has missed over 70% of games over the last two seasons.
We all hoped Hall would make it, when on song he makes such a difference to the team.
So understand why option exercised in May.
KR thought Hall could be a key lynchpin.
But, with hindsite and everything else that has occurred in terms of other injuries and poor fitness,that was a major gamble .
 
Well aware and also that he has missed over 70% of games over the last two seasons.
We all hoped Hall would make it, when on song he makes such a difference to the team.
So understand why option exercised in May.
KR thought Hall could be a key lynchpin.
But, with hindsite and everything else that has occurred in terms of other injuries and poor fitness,that was a major gamble .

Have to agree. Emotions aside, Hall should not have been offered a one year deal. Injury prone. Seemed crazy to me. KR and Hall have history. Heart over head that one for sure. Whilst we’re at it. Not signing a striker and the goalkeeping saga were also obvious mistakes too, for me anyway. But as a Manager you have to take a few risks and unfortunately those risks have not payed off. Everyone makes mistakes though, so I’m not bashing KR and co too much, as I honestly believe they will turn us around and we are already showing signs of improvement.

(But in general, wouldn’t it be nice, just occasionally to see football managers eat a bit more humble pie and admit to a few more mistakes. I’d love to eat some should Hall prove me wrong in 6-9 months time).
 
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Have to agree. Emotions aside, Hall should not have been offered a one year deal. Injury prone. Seemed crazy to me. KR and Hall have history. Heart over head that one for sure. Whilst we’re at it. Not signing a striker and the goalkeeping saga were also obvious mistakes too, for me anyway. But as a Manager you have to take a few risks and unfortunately those risks have not payed off. Everyone makes mistakes though, so I’m not bashing KR and co too much, as I honestly believe they will turn us around and we are already showing signs of improvement.

(But in general, wouldn’t it be nice, just occasionally to see football managers eat a bit more humble pie and admit to a few more mistakes. I’d love to eat some should Hall prove me wrong in 6-9 months time).

The KR turning it around comment has only come about because of pressure by the fans on social media to play the likes of Norman, Whyte, Browne and Mousinho, and drop the likes of Garbutt, McMahon, Mackie etc who were KR’s first choices.

It seems to me that a high percentage of the players we’ve signed were either coming back from injuries, injury prone, unfit, legs have gone or all of the above.

I hope I’m wrong, but myself and many others were extremely concerned after the manner of the defeat at Barnsley, and apart from some glimmer of hope on Tuesday night whilst using the 2nd string of players I’m still of that opinion and struggling to see us getting out of this situation, well at least until January when we’d need to recruit wisely to hopefully help us avoid relegation.

Let’s just hope the 2nd string produce the goods.
 
2018 The story so far...

Lose 4 key first team players - Carruthers, Eastwood, Hall & Holmes out injured within 2 games of new season starting.

Any of the KR doomsayers want to say which other manager in the EFL would have hit the ground running in the same circumstances?

In the first place, no sane person or manager would have considered Hall a key player.

In the second place none of those 4 is key to having an organised back four that's supported by the midfield when under pressure, a thing Mr Robinson has shown no sign of achieving.

It's all good!
 
2018 The story so far...

Change of ownership
Change of Manager
Change of backroom staff
Change of Training Facility, which was delayed until now
Changed most of the squad due to previous calamitous managers mistakes
Change of Main Sponsor
Lose 2 key midfielders - Ledson and Rothwell
Lose 4 key first team players - Carruthers, Eastwood, Hall & Holmes out injured within 2 games of new season starting.

Any of the KR doomsayers want to say which other manager in the EFL would have hit the ground running in the same circumstances?

Agree a couple of the new players performances e.g Garbutt and Mackie are particularly concerning. However Whyte, Norman, Browne & Baptiste look very promising, even in a struggling side.

It’s been 4 league games people. Get real.
Firstly I hope there is no implication in this post that anyone who has criticism of KR is being labelled a doomsayer. Because I think given what has happened this summer that a lot of criticism of KR is justified.

A lot of the changes you mentioned happened during last season (and some like the sponsor I doubt has any effect on the management of the team). We have had had the same manager and owner through the whole preseason and we have only bought in one new coach. KR has been generously backed (according to him) to fix the mistakes of the previous manager. Lets also remember he arrived last season so its hardly like he's hitiing the ground now. Personally I think a lot of managers would have done massively better under these circumstances.

It has only been four games but four games where we have massively struggled 3 of which we were awful. Four games with no points and 13 goals conceded, and lets face it its not like these are the first four games KR has helmed at this club.

To me the summer was an utter shambles. At a guess I reckon KR was totally unreal with his targets and few of them payed off leaving us scrabbling around at the last minute. But if you want a list of mistakes KR has made that a decent manger may not have lets start with these garnered for other posts:
- Making Hall a key team player when he was never going to last a season fit.
- Letting the squad have only one left back
- Not buying enough striking options (possibly due to his utter tactical inflexibility). thus relying on a player in Obika who many of us wanted let go.
- Not signing a holding midfielder till the last minute (worse when you consider he had a good one on trial early in preseason)
- Creating a decent defense (does Nelson even want to play for us, why is a man we would not commit to a contract made captain?)
- or effective strong midfield
- Signing then playing unfit players (Mackie why oh why, and Lambert can he play much at all?)

KR has made some huge mistakes preseason that has set the club back miles on the pitch at the start of this season. Some of these mistakes are going to be difficult to fix and may have to wait for us try and do so in Jan. Yes we have had some bad luck with injuries but there are so many problems in the squad that even with the injured players we would still have issues. We are currently where we are on merit not by luck. The question now is is KR good enough to fix this quickly because if he can not there is no doubt in the great interests of the club he will have to go. If it comes to that he had a good chance with us this season to make us a success and like Pep last he will have blown it by mostly his own mistakes.
 
- Making Hall a key team player when he was never going to last a season fit. Injuries happen, on the flipside maybe Hall would have been our player of the year, never know
- Letting the squad have only one left back Garbutt was the marquee signing there but sadly has been gash, though whose fault that is is up for debate. Ruffels and Long as back-up and Carroll (before he was bombed out). One assumes there were other priorities
- Not buying enough striking options (possibly due to his utter tactical inflexibility). thus relying on a player in Obika who many of us wanted let go. Fair
- Not signing a holding midfielder till the last minute (worse when you consider he had a good one on trial early in preseason). Fair
- Creating a decent defense (does Nelson even want to play for us, why is a man we would not commit to a contract made captain?). The defence has been poor, too many changes. That said, the players there are most definitely not poor ones. Pick one partnership and keep it.
- or effective strong midfield Fair, still hope Hanson will be that guy. Losing Ledson didn't help.
- Signing then playing unfit players (Mackie why oh why, and Lambert can he play much at all?) Fair, and the biggest issue of all for me.
 
Who is this Lambert you are on about? Do you mean Holmes (although I cannot imagine why anyone is getting his name THAT wrong!)?
 
Understatement: recruitment in the summer could have gone better

But was that really all KR’s fault?

He is vastly experienced in this job so it makes no sense to me that, like some rookie manager, he would be chasing players we had no chance of getting.

And besides you realise that pretty quickly. Omar Bogle and Lyle Taylor made it clear early on we were not a possible destination

Looking back to the Ireland trip there was frustration in his part that he couldn’t get deals over the line. Then Tiger showed up for a day and he signed off a couple

I suspect the chairman not being at the club every week, let alone every day makes things much harder. When Kr is trying to get a yes or no, Tiger cannot be raised.

Still, the sort of players we’ve got are exactly the sort you’d expect a club of our size and budget to be in for. We’ve probably got one too many gambles - and far too late in the day - but that’s where we’re at

I think the really big problem is that the known quantities have let us down. The two full backs. With their pedigree Kr was not taking a risk. But Garbutt and McMahin have been terrible letdowns.

Unfortunately I can see further problems becoming apparent. I’m very worried about Brannagans ability to dictate. In his position everything comes through him. He’s our playmaker. But he doesn’t seem a playmaker at all to me. He’s another no 10.
 
Its worth reminding some are comparing Robbo to MAPP of when they started their first season with us, MAPP I think had just under 4 weeks preseason yet Robbo has had a full preseason.
 
Some of us have made up our minds that Michael Appleton is a very different kettle of fish from Karl Robinson. It would be nice to be proved wrong.
 
MApp’s first season in league 1 with us was a poor start and that was after MApp had 5 transfer windows to put his team together. KR has had 1 transfer window to put a whole squad together so far. A transfer window which was like no other due to the World Cup and the new date at which the window shut. A lot of clubs up and down the country struggled to get the signings they wanted and a lot were done late into pre season. It wasn’t just OUFC.
 
Oh come on, 'a transfer window that was like no other'. f**k me, it was hot as well, and it's the last one before brexit - how could any manager cope with that?
 
It was a big shock to every manager that the World Cup coincided with the transfer window. If only managers had been given notice that this was the case. :eek:
 
A transfer window which was like no other due to the World Cup and the new date at which the window shut.

Not sure this explains why, rather than adopting a coherent recruitment strategy focusing on mobile, tactically flexible, young unpolished gems from L1 & the lower leagues, we used a scatter-gun approach targeting both older, injury-prone has/never beens and rookies from higher up the league pyramid...
 
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