General Supporters Panel Elections

Essexyellows said:
The answers?
Less than or equal to 11.
That negates the need for a vote.
It will exist, whether voted for or not, in a truly representative & democratic manner.

The cabal will be closer to the SLO than the supporters and provide an effective filter for irksome individuals who ask awkward questions.

And folk can throw rotten veg at me later but hey, I`ll take the risk. :)
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Well then, just make sure more than 11 people stand. Share the press release on twitter, facebook, via email. Encourage fans you know to stand.
 
Manorlounger said:
He doesn't know anyone.
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I do thanks, although several of my long-term supporting friends are no longer around to ask to be seconders etc.
Likewise how others interact with their football mates might be far different from the posh seat brigade, but we are "inclusive" yes?
 
guyellow said:
Well then, just make sure more than 11 people stand. Share the press release on twitter, facebook, via email. Encourage fans you know to stand.
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Why? I might not fancy any competition for a hallowed place. ;)
 
Manorlounger said:
Here is the confidential policy.

Confidentiality
A major objective of the Supporters’ Panel is to improve the flow of information between the Club and its supporters, and to be open and transparent in its dealings. Nonetheless there are occasions when all or part of a discussion will need to be treated in confidence. The Supporters’ Panel accepts that for legal reasons (such as data protection and employment law) the Club will not be able to share certain information. These restrictions will, however, be the exception and not the rule, and the Club will explain clearly (and to the satisfaction of the Supporters’ Panel) why information cannot be provided or must be treated in confidence.
 Any matter offered by panel representatives or the Club on a confidential basis will not be disclosed beyond those present at the meeting except where non-disclosure puts an individual or group at risk of significant harm.
 Any comments in the minutes deemed as confidential are included as a “Part Two” section of the minutes and are redacted from the published version of the minutes.
 Individuals should not publish or discuss any details of the meeting before the minutes have been approved by the Chair and published on the webpage, unless specifically allowed for in the minutes, and should not at any time discuss or disclose any “Part Two” minutes outside of the Panel.


It does not say "reference to it can be removed from the minute" It clearly states "redacted from the published version of the minutes" and further, "included as a “Part Two” section of the minutes" Included being the operative word.

You also chose to ignore this: "should not at any time discuss or disclose any “Part Two” minutes outside of the Panel." Outside of the panel, so not as: "no member of the Panel can mention it."


The working group did not want to have anything excluded but accepted that, on occasion and rarely and under protest from the panel, some information would unfortunately have to be deemed confidential. Whether that information came from the club or, from a supporter.
The panel will not be discussing employment contracts or player dealings, nor will it be involved in the finance side of the club, that is for OxVox. It can be surmised then that very little information from the club would fall into a confidential nature but, we wanted it to be prepared should that happen.
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Look, I was talking in terms of communication and transparency between the club and the SLO (the ultimate beneficiaries of all this) and the supporters. I don't care what can be viewed by members of the secret society (who, remember aren't allowed to mention Panel business outside of the Panel). I'll use bold

"redacted from the published version of the minutes" means NO SUPPORTER other than those on the panel can see it - it is removed from the minute for all intents and purposed other than hiding it in Part 2.

I don't actually mean that no member of the panel can mention sensitive information to the panel any more than the panel will hold it's discussions through the medium of mime. What I said was :

If the minutes don't even say what topics been discussed (points above) and the judgement of what's 'wrong' is in the hands of the Panel majority, the 'Expectations' need to be considered seriously. If a Panel member disagrees with a policy, feels there is misbehaviour, undue secrecy, or good old fashioned stupidity in the Panel they aren't allowed to say so. Panel members are at risk of being removed or otherwise sanctioned if whoever gets to decide (who is that?) deems that what they post publicly is 'negative or speculative' (how is that judged, by whom?). In practice this means that, should I or [deleted to avoid offence] (just an example) disagree with a policy that, let's say, prevents something like the Ultras regenerating they will have to think twice (at least) before saying so publicly.

Here's a scenario that should happen sooner or later. The Club, along with it's Panel decide on something that OxVox members have, through consultation, decided they are against. The Chair decides it's confidential. If OxVox mentions it do they lose their representation in the Panel?
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If you want to demonstrate that this Panel is transparent and accountable perhaps this quote is good place to start. Or better still, come over to the supporters' side and put your enthusiasm into OxVox: be useful or be used........
 
Paul Cannell said:
If you want to demonstrate that this Panel is transparent and accountable perhaps this quote is good place to start. Or better still, come over to the supporters' side and put your enthusiasm into OxVox: be useful or be used........
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Given the tone and content of your posts on this subject, I doubt very much anything I or anyone else from the working group or the eventual members of the panel, could say that would change your position but, let's give it a go.

OxVox operate under the constraints of confidentiality, even more so than could ever be expected from the Supporters' Panel. It's been explained numerous times how the policy will work, and why there has to be one.

How would confidentiality change from OxVox to the Supporters' Panel? Are you suggesting that the confidentiality upheld by OxVox is justified but not when it's the Supporters' Panel with a policy clearly stating that the panel would be opposed to anything other than that absolutely necessary to remain legal or prevent harm to anybody?

You re-quote yourself as if that is going to reinforce the validity of a flawed argument.
"If a Panel member disagrees with a policy, feels there is misbehaviour, undue secrecy, or good old fashioned stupidity in the Panel they aren't allowed to say so."
Where do you get this from? Which policy document states this? You have drawn a conclusion from your own misinterpretation.

"be useful or be used" That is just insulting. Insulting to the working group, prospective candidates, the club and it's employees.
 
I`ll try again............ why the sudden "pace" to get this set up?

First "open" meeting 6/92021 with around 7-10 days notice.

Election announcement - 13/09/2021 - applications in my 4th Oct.

Surely a more managed timeframe would give more people more opportunity to engage......
 
Essexyellows said:
I`ll try again............ why the sudden "pace" to get this set up?

First "open" meeting 6/92021 with around 7-10 days notice.

Election announcement - 13/09/2021 - applications in my 4th Oct.

Surely a more managed timeframe would give more people more opportunity to engage......
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How long would you like?
 
I’ve said it on a previous thread about the tone of some of the people, who are planning to be on this supporters panel, being on the side of aggressive when replying to people who have concerns about this all working.
It seems that is still the case.
I actually think asking about the confidentiality of minutes and time frames are valid questions. Surely if the panel is not going to be in place until 2022/23 season it would make sense to drum up plenty of interest for people to think about running for election rather than just having a few people ask to be elected and they are then automatically elected by default.
There are various things surrounding the confidentiality, the rules regarding only positivity when talking about the club on social media and the fact this panel was thought up by the club shows that @Paul Cannell is probably right in thinking it is just a mouth piece for the club.
 
Steve Gilbert said:
I’ve said it on a previous thread about the tone of some of the people, who are planning to be on this supporters panel, being on the side of aggressive when replying to people who have concerns about this all working.
It seems that is still the case.
I actually think asking about the confidentiality of minutes and time frames are valid questions. Surely if the panel is not going to be in place until 2022/23 season it would make sense to drum up plenty of interest for people to think about running for election rather than just having a few people ask to be elected and they are then automatically elected by default.
There are various things surrounding the confidentiality, the rules regarding only positivity when talking about the club on social media and the fact this panel was thought up by the club shows that @Paul Cannell is probably right in thinking it is just a mouth piece for the club.
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The panel wasn't thought up by the club. It's a recommendation from the Football Supporters Association.
 
Scotchegg said:
The panel wasn't thought up by the club. It's a recommendation from the Football Supporters Association.
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Which doesn`t have to be swallowed whole and should be open to question, the first being "Do the supporters want it?"

As it stands it appears to be "This is good for you - take the medicine".
 
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