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[Essexyellows]

Yes, what has gone wrong for Germany, only having a third of our deaths despite having a larger population and land borders with all and sundry.

Ah - they aren't counting right, that's what it must be...

As I said...first wave they dealt with it exceptionally well....... so what has gone wrong? It is a genuine question that isn`t as binary as dead folk.

 

[mooro]

Where are those who were highlighting Germany as a model country?

Covid: Record deaths in Germany and Russia

Germany is facing calls for a second lockdown before Christmas.

www.bbc.co.uk

Whisper it quietly but we are faring much better than many of our European counterparts in this second wave.
Italy have had seven thousand more deaths than us since end of October and are set to overtake us in the overall count in the next few days

 

[m]

Someone has taught Johnny Foreigner to count properly.

 

[Berliner]

As I said...first wave they dealt with it exceptionally well....... so what has gone wrong? It is a genuine question that isn`t as binary as dead folk.

There's no single, simple answer for it, even at the start of the second wave, Germany were tracking and tracing very well, isolating intelligently and experiencing fewer cases that our neighbours. In October, the country was still a beacon for Europe:



What came thereafter was a period of gradual and significant growth in cases (and deaths, though still at a comparatively low level) that started overloading capacities in all areas. The magical 50 per 100,000 was not only soon cracked in several areas, but rapidly absolutely annihilated. In Berlin, areas soon ballooned to 100, then 200. Soon the whole city was well over the limit (to say nothing of areas in the far west and in Bavaria, that were even worse). Test capacities got overwhelmed, track and trace was swamped. Yet in comparison with March and April, there was and still is little tangible worry, even with things rapidly going south. Shops were as busy as ever, restaurants ditto.

Then came "lockdown light" at the start of November. The idea was to not screw the economy, so shops and schools stayed open while restaurants and bars shut again. Unfortunately, the cat was very much out of the bag at this point and the government started to lose control. The lockdown has slowed the exponential growth but hospitals/ICUs are slowly reaching capacity. Cases are still on the grow, it's no longer outbreaks here and there (see meat packing plants in the summer) but now widespread.

The only way to halt cases and deaths would be what they are planning now, which is essentially to let everyone do their Christmas shopping and then lock down hard at the end of next week. A friend at a major shopping chain (non-essential) has already shared a confidential mail from management saying to prepare for closure from 20.12 to 10.01. Things are pretty dead between Christmas and the middle of January in any case, so the idea has its merits I suppose. Schools have also gone to distance learning for first week back after Christmas. Will people, who have also become tired and jaded about the virus here as everywhere, listen? Will they stay apart over Christmas and New Year...doubtful. Panic buying? A possibility, but it wasn't really a huge issue save for March for a while.

When all's said and done, I think Germany will still be the "beacon". But still the best of the worst if you get what I mean, no European country has done superbly out of this. The popular opinion here is that we locked down so hard that we prevented the first wave, which means we are experiencing our "first wave" now instead.

 

[Yellowmania]

Dr John Campbell.

Just started to watch this, his opening point is that “several million doses have been given already”. That figure seems so wide of the mark to reality or am I missing some context in what he said?

 

[Essexyellows]

There's no single, simple answer for it, even at the start of the second wave, Germany were tracking and tracing very well, isolating intelligently and experiencing fewer cases that our neighbours. In October, the country was still a beacon for Europe:

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What came thereafter was a period of gradual and significant growth in cases (and deaths, though still at a comparatively low level) that started overloading capacities in all areas. The magical 50 per 100,000 was not only soon cracked in several areas, but rapidly absolutely annihilated. In Berlin, areas soon ballooned to 100, then 200. Soon the whole city was well over the limit (to say nothing of areas in the far west and in Bavaria, that were even worse). Test capacities got overwhelmed, track and trace was swamped. Yet in comparison with March and April, there was and still is little tangible worry, even with things rapidly going south. Shops were as busy as ever, restaurants ditto.

Then came "lockdown light" at the start of November. The idea was to not screw the economy, so shops and schools stayed open while restaurants and bars shut again. Unfortunately, the cat was very much out of the bag at this point and the government started to lose control. The lockdown has slowed the exponential growth but hospitals/ICUs are slowly reaching capacity. Cases are still on the grow, it's no longer outbreaks here and there (see meat packing plants in the summer) but now widespread.

The only way to halt cases and deaths would be what they are planning now, which is essentially to let everyone do their Christmas shopping and then lock down hard at the end of next week. A friend at a major shopping chain (non-essential) has already shared a confidential mail from management saying to prepare for closure from 20.12 to 10.01. Things are pretty dead between Christmas and the middle of January in any case, so the idea has its merits I suppose. Schools have also gone to distance learning for first week back after Christmas. Will people, who have also become tired and jaded about the virus here as everywhere, listen? Will they stay apart over Christmas and New Year...doubtful. Panic buying? A possibility, but it wasn't really a huge issue save for March for a while.

When all's said and done, I think Germany will still be the "beacon". But still the best of the worst if you get what I mean, no European country has done superbly out of this. The popular opinion here is that we locked down so hard that we prevented the first wave, which means we are experiencing our "first wave" now instead.

Thank you very much. Can`t beat real stuff from real people.

 

[mooro]

Whisper it quietly but we are faring much better than many of our European counterparts in this second wave.
Italy have had seven thousand more deaths than us since end of October and are set to overtake us in the overall count in the next few days......

... and do indeed do so today!

 

[gofish2]

Ask The Experts : Covid19 Vaccines

⁣Ask the experts. World Doctors Alliance doctors offer their thoughts on the issues surrounding the new vaccines for Covid-19.

brandnewtube.com

Please do one you tiresome ill informed disinformation addicted oaf. If you have a tendency towards paranoid ideation, keep it on a site for all of the others who are similarly afflicted.
PS. The earth still isn't flat....

 

[Paul Cannell]

It never was. A long astronomical tradition modelled the heavens. But I suppose there were ill-intentioned people making a buck out of lying then just like now.

 

[bazzer9461]

And over to Germany

 

[Berliner]

And over to Germany
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The shops are going to be fun tomorrow and Tuesday!

 

[Marked Ox]

And over to Germany
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We'll be going into hard lockdown/everybody in Tier 3 after Christmas if people aren't sensible over Christmas. Let's hope it isn't necessary to do so.

 

[QR]

And over to Germany
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Similar infection rates but lower death rates than us and they are going into full lockdown. We're not. It will be interesting to see how the two countries fair in the next few weeks.

 

[bazzer9461]

We'll be going into hard lockdown/everybody in Tier 3 after Christmas if people aren't sensible over Christmas. Let's hope it isn't necessary to do so.

How many of the population will be sensible over Xmas

 

[bazzer9461]

Similar infection rates but lower death rates than us and they are going into full lockdown. We're not. It will be interesting to see how the two countries fair in the next few weeks.

I think the big buisness are in the ears of Parliament as I thought we may have been in a lock down still

 

[uptheus]

Should have shut the schools last Friday 11th to hopefully reduce to transmission and giving 2 weeks before Christmas.

 

[bazzer9461]

Should have shut the schools last Friday 11th to hopefully reduce to transmission and giving 2 weeks before Christmas.

But there would be the problem with parents having to juggle childcare. Not just that there is a good possibility they won’t return in January with the cold and the festive celebrations could lead to a more severe lockdown in January.

 

[QR]

But there would be the problem with parents having to juggle childcare. Not just that there is a good possibility they won’t return in January with the cold and the festive celebrations could lead to a more severe lockdown in January.

It's either lockdown now or wait until after Christmas and lockdown for longer. Possibly a lot longer. Don't expect the government to show foresight. It hasn't so far.

 

[Neville60]

 

[Essexyellows]