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It seems people are now trying to really push for a ‘Christmas break’ and using the war as an example of how they called a truce for 1 day only!
We have failed to control covid so far but it seems that we suddenly have the power to halt a virus from spreading for 1 day only!!
the stupidity of some people during this pandemic has really surprised me.

I personally can’t see how we can go back to living a fairly ‘normal’ life anytime soon. Certainly not until next spring/summer.
They’ll be calling for Christmas truce football matches between the different lockdown areas next !
 
Which is why saying millions of people can use their own common sense to decide what’s right in order to control the virus was probably the most stupid and irresponsible thing imaginable.

If 90% are using their common sense then it is the 10% doing the damage.

Minorities causing trouble again... :D
 
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The treatment of people with cancers in my own family over the last month has driven me to look more closely at the statistics and I have to say it’s pretty revealing.

We’re being completely bombarded with terrifying headlines from mainstream media outlets (particularly the BBC), which is obviously where the majority of people get their information from.

The problem with these statistics is that they are being presented to the public without any kind of context. For example we’re given rolling stats on weekly deaths, however more people died in the third week of October last year. Also deaths in hospitals in week 42 (week ending 18th October) were below the 5 year average for week 42.

If the Government and Media are constantly going to throw round these terrifying headlines to justify restrictions, how about for balance we get to hear the economic and health repercussions on the country? For example youth unemployment is now at it’s highest in four decades and yet in the 0-59 age group (majority of people in education and working population) there were two deaths last week from COVID-19 (which is obviously tragic).

Only around 300 people under the age of 60, with no underlying health conditions have died from COVID -19, yet when I told my Manager over a Microsoft Teams video call last week, that I was going into Oxford at the weekend for a few drinks with my friends, she said ‘You’ll be risking your life if you do’…this is what the Media and Government have done to people!

This may sound frank, but how many of the people who have very sadly passed from COVID-19, would have been taken by Flu or Pneumonia? And how many of these ‘new infections’ are from Students getting the COVID alternative to ‘Freshers Flu’? Students fall into the age range of people who are at such low risk from COVID, they literally have more chance of getting hit by a bus. Yet these new infections in student cities have driven them into full lockdown (Manchester being the most obvious).

The male suicide rate has also sadly risen to it’s highest in two decades and god knows how many people will sadly die from undetected/untreated cancers.

This is why if you speak to people who only listen or watch the BBC, they are more or less completely unaware that there’s any kind of controversy in what the Government is actually doing with these restrictions.

The Great Barrington Declaration only seemed to get about 24 hours media coverage and then it was completely forgotten. However the growing call for a ‘herd immunity’ approach to COVID (advanced by Professor Sunetra Gupta of Oxford University) has led to various institutions desperately trying to quash it by throwing out a study from Imperial College London (who have consistently got things wrong using computer based models) stating that antibodies have fallen and that there is no evidence that immunity exists…however Professor Gupta pointed out that ‘Of course all antibodies fall rapidly after infection, but our immunity is stored in T cells because it’s much more efficient).

Why are we getting this highly sensationalised and selective presentation of the Science?
 
Which is why saying millions of people can use their own common sense to decide what’s right in order to control the virus was probably the most stupid and irresponsible thing imaginable.

So how long are we actually going to continue this way? Are we just going to go in and out of lockdowns for the next few years? Patrick Vallance said yesterday that a vaccine is 'likely to be imperfect and may not prevent infection'. So what happens when the damage from lockdowns becomes insupportable and the money runs out?
 
And one more thing, we didn't have a vaccine for SARS or MERS, so why didn't we all die? Was immunity built up from this?
 
And one more thing, we didn't have a vaccine for SARS or MERS, so why didn't we all die? Was immunity built up from this?
SARS despite being more deadly, was less infectious and only infectious when symptomatic. COVID-19 infects before people know they’ve got it which makes it a nightmare to stop.
 
So how long are we actually going to continue this way? Are we just going to go in and out of lockdowns for the next few years? Patrick Vallance said yesterday that a vaccine is 'likely to be imperfect and may not prevent infection'. So what happens when the damage from lockdowns becomes insupportable and the money runs out?
You’re making a completely separate point to mine. You seem to be commenting on the fact that we can’t all stay indoors forever - I agree with that. I merely said “the messaging that we can all essentially police ourselves, so that if it goes wrong it’s our fault and nobody has to take any responsibility, wasn’t acceptable.” Honestly have no idea how that then warrants a comment about everybody locking their doors forevermore. Who said that?
 
The problem is it isn`t about "you" as an individual it is about your contribution to the rest of society.
The virus can not move- we move it.
If we all do our little bit (hands. face, space) then the incidences of infection should reduce greatly without lockdown.
We then adapt life to live with it for as long as necessary.
The problem for government is that a minority of people are thinking it doesn`t apply to them, becoming complacent or just not doing the basics.
Chuck a few deniers into the mix and the rest of us have a larger problem than we deserve.
 
If 90% are using their common sense then it is the 10% doing the damage.

Minorities causing trouble again... :D
You cheeky devil ?

I think most people can agree that if it’s widely acknowledged that millions of people don’t have any common sense - I certainly grew up hearing about ‘uncommon sense’ - that telling 60 million+ to use it to combat something they know almost nothing about doesn’t really work as an effective or responsible policy. Nor does telling people to go out, and even giving them discounts in order to make sure they do, really leave you much wiggle room to turn around later and go, “Oh FFS, look what you did, you went out too much!” If you know millions of people don’t have common sense, telling them to use it while essentially bribing them to go to bars and restaurants, and constantly talking about how you hope it’ll be back to normal soon, makes you the dimmest of all.

Some people are just idiots, but tactics such as the above merely helps convert those who are on the fence. Give people a firm rule and tell them not to break it. Some will break the rules anyway, of course they will, but not as many as if you tell them you’re going to look the other way and trust them not to be naughty. You’ve got the nutters who deny the entire thing even exists, so it’s probably best to not create more problems for yourself by telling the entire country, “What you decide is acceptable is probably fine, until it isn’t.”

You know me - I’m just at home smoking the peace pipe regardless ?
 
You’re making a completely separate point to mine. You seem to be commenting on the fact that we can’t all stay indoors forever - I agree with that. I merely said “the messaging that we can all essentially police ourselves, so that if it goes wrong it’s our fault and nobody has to take any responsibility, wasn’t acceptable.” Honestly have no idea how that then warrants a comment about everybody locking their doors forevermore. Who said that?

That's fair enough. I didn't read your message properly so forgive me.

I have (like quite a few people I would assume) quite a lot of people in my own family that don't have much longer left and the last year or two of their lives will be overall quite miserable - which is heart-breaking, especially at Christmas. This is at least what my Nan told me over the weekend.
 
The problem is it isn`t about "you" as an individual it is about your contribution to the rest of society.
The virus can not move- we move it.
If we all do our little bit (hands. face, space) then the incidences of infection should reduce greatly without lockdown.
We then adapt life to live with it for as long as necessary.
The problem for government is that a minority of people are thinking it doesn`t apply to them, becoming complacent or just not doing the basics.
Chuck a few deniers into the mix and the rest of us have a larger problem than we deserve.

My point is that respiratory infections are seasonal. Infection rates were always going to be higher as we move into autumn and winter, especially when the students went back. Also how much more testing are we doing now?

As I pointed out before, hospital deaths last week were below the 5 year average for week 42. Are we sure that actions of people have caused this or is it just seasonal?

There's so many questions on this and I'm not sure who to trust anymore!
 
My point is that respiratory infections are seasonal. Infection rates were always going to be higher as we move into autumn and winter, especially when the students went back. Also how much more testing are we doing now?

As I pointed out before, hospital deaths last week were below the 5 year average for week 42. Are we sure that actions of people have caused this or is it just seasonal?

There's so many questions on this and I'm not sure who to trust anymore!
One thing that would help is if you link to where you get your figures from. I’ve just spent a few minutes trying to find comparative hospital death rates, and haven’t had any success, be it for week 42 or any other week.
If your source is a journalist’s article without reference to original data, be careful. Most high quality scientific journalists will cite the data source so that you can check directly and see if the stats are cherry-picked or weirdly manipulated.
Eg. For all I know weeks 41 and 43 are 10 times higher for some reason.
 
20,900 people in Leicestershire have tested positive - up from 20,334 (increase 556).
10,525 (increase of 213) were within the Leicester City Council area.
10,375 (increase of 343) cases were reported in the County.

Deaths are up to 473 (increase of 6, some are "catch ups").

Can`t see this tier system working to be fair. The folk that play by the rules will carry on.......but the feckless fudgers won`t.
 
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