Mojofilter
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Something is quite suspect at people trying very very hard to undermine a black rights movement. Almost as if some people were against black rights
The difficulty I have is that the BLM movement seem to make "martyrs" of bad people (that happen to be black) who have interacted with bad Police officers (who happen to be white) with a bad outcome (death mostly).
To me that means there are bad people problems, irrespective of colour.
The movement holds no truck with me in the UK where the law is applied very fairly in probably 99% of public interactions thanks to policing by consent.
Once a movement wants to "de-fund" the law keepers who do they expect to fill the gap? Conveniently as they try and undermine society based on colour...
It's not difficult Google it .Could you also provide a link to the "BLM people" or anyone else jumping on this? I do not recall any race issues being mentioned at the time.
I think youre getting mixed up with people who think that ALL people should have the SAME rights....i really cant see a problem with that?????Something is quite suspect at people trying very very hard to undermine a black rights movement. Almost as if some people were against black rights
That’s quite a broad brush generalisation of the state of our legal system. Can you be more specific?Even as someone who works in the business, I would say that the law is probably not applied fairly in 99% of cases regardless of race.
The original statement was that our legal system was fair 99% of the time and therefore showed no racial bias.That’s quite a broad brush generalisation of the state of our legal system. Can you be more specific?
the law is probably not applied fairly in 99% of cases .................thats what you said.....NOT!!!!..........thats a bit of a exagerated figure you seem to have just plucked from the air.The original statement was that our legal system was fair 99% of the time and therefore showed no racial bias.
I suggested that the inequalities within our legal system were not as fair as that, especially for the poor. Justice can be bought, either explicitly through access to the best lawyers, or less so through appearance. A well spoken man in a smart suit with a top legal team has more chance than a poorly educated, badly dressed man from the streets with the duty solicitor. Women receive sentences far lower than men, and significantly lower numbers go to prison. And this is before any unconscious bias or racial inequalities come into play.
So whilst our police and justice system are far better than many other countries, there is still a long way to go before we could say that it was fair.
the law is probably not applied fairly in 99% of cases .................thats what you said.....NOT!!!!..........thats a bit of a exagerated figure you seem to have just plucked from the air.
The original statement was that our legal system was fair 99% of the time and therefore showed no racial bias.
I suggested that the inequalities within our legal system were not as fair as that, especially for the poor. Justice can be bought, either explicitly through access to the best lawyers, or less so through appearance. A well spoken man in a smart suit with a top legal team has more chance than a poorly educated, badly dressed man from the streets with the duty solicitor. Women receive sentences far lower than men, and significantly lower numbers go to prison. And this is before any unconscious bias or racial inequalities come into play.
So whilst our police and justice system are far better than many other countries, there is still a long way to go before we could say that it was fair.
‘The movement holds no truck with me in the UK where the law is applied very fairly in probably 99% of public interactions thanks to policing by consent‘
This was @Essexyellows quote, and is based on public interaction with the police, ie stop and search, a small example of how the law might be applied to the public and of the entire legal system that you represented in your post.
I don’t necessarily disagree with your views on prejudice and bias in the legal system, and those biases or inequalities would apply to a lesser or greater extent in any country’s system anywhere in the world, but the attitude and approach of the British police to the public is, thankfully, based on consent and although it may not be as high as 99%, it will be fairly applied to a significantly higher % than the U.S.
And as we all know, that is a conversation that has been and will be ongoing around the world for centuries to come.And that was the point I was making. Our police and justice systems are better than many other countries, but fairness depends on who is involved.
Look at policing of football fans compared to policing of rugby or music events. A couple of years ago I watched England v South Africa and v Australia at Twickenham, and between the two, Oxford v Coventry at the Kassam. Which game had the bigger police presence? Which game presented the most restrictions?
My background never changed, I did not become more or less law abiding depending on the sport I was watching. But I was judged on the actions of others from years before that decides that football fans are a greater risk to society than rugby fans.
Is that fair?
Now less suppose that we swap the football fans for young black guys, and the rugby fans for young white men. And they are judged on the actions of others, regardless of their behaviours?
That is the problem that some members of society feel, and where we need to do more to create equality.
Just because we are better than other countries doesn't mean that we haven't got more work to do.
Totally agree. My point was that fairness in a system is very subjective depending on your own experiences.And as we all know, that is a conversation that has been and will be ongoing around the world for centuries to come.
Inequality, and / or perceived inequality, dictate responses and actions that will or won’t be seen as fair by someone at some point. If only we had all those answers, we wouldn’t be posting on a football forum about it now eh?!