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Scotland will remain in lockdown, irrespective of what our glorious leader proclams on Sunday then !

Will be interesting, if the PM says offices can open, but the she says 'Not in Scotland', but offices open anyway, what can she actually do? Does she have the power to go against a decision from the PM?
 
Will be interesting, if the PM says offices can open, but the she says 'Not in Scotland', but offices open anyway, what can she actually do? Does she have the power to go against a decision from the PM?
I'm not sure exactly what is devolved. But this situation has shown us that it's generally better to go with what's being done in more advanced countries such as Scotland, especially those with female leaders
 
Johnson is a bit stymied now. He has said there will be some sort of plan announced on Sunday. That has raised some people's hopes (or fears) that there is going to be a relaxation of the lock down. Already it feels to me as if there is more traffic on the road going past my house than there has been for weeks. Of course, the plan might be 'another three weeks and then we will see', but the expectation of something more is there...
 
In Germany (yes, I know, Germany again) we have seen a lot of restrictions lifted or eased significantly in the past couple of days. Restaurants, pubs, hotels, museums all open soon, but with restrictions in place.

The mantra from the government is: If the rate of new infections increases and reaches over 50 per 100,000 people per week in any district, then lockdown will be enforced (only) there again until the rate drops below this figure for a further week.

Does anyone have similar figures for the UK?

For reference, this would mean 1,800 to 2,000 new cases of infection in Berlin per week. Last week saw 350 new cases here.
 
Already it feels to me as if there is more traffic on the road going past my house than there has been for weeks.
There’s definitely been more traffic on the roads for the last couple of weeks. I’ve noticed that while I’ve been out for walks / runs - I’ve gone from barely seeing a single vehicle at all to seeing one every 30 seconds at least. I’ve had to make a couple of trips for essentials beyond my local Tesco Express and to leave some bits on the doorsteps of some who are vulnerable, and on one such occasion at the start of last week the roads looked something approaching normal. Actively busy on stretches.

In Germany (yes, I know, Germany again) we have seen a lot of restrictions lifted or eased significantly in the past couple of days. Restaurants, pubs, hotels, museums all open soon, but with restrictions in place.

The mantra from the government is: If the rate of new infections increases and reaches over 50 per 100,000 people per week in any district, then lockdown will be enforced (only) there again until the rate drops below this figure for a further week.
Doesn’t Germany have much greater devolution in terms of regions and their ability to govern day to day rather than exclusively following blanket orders from the capital? That’s the sort of thing that’s going to do wonders in moving beyond this. England just treats every last place from Cornwall to Carlisle exactly the same, which is ultimately going to prove incredibly difficult in terms of restarting the economy. Even if a remote and sparsely populated region is safe to get going again it won’t happen unless every other region gets to do the same thing, irrespective of circumstances and consequences. Because it isn’t fair, you see.
 
Johnson is a bit stymied now. He has said there will be some sort of plan announced on Sunday. That has raised some people's hopes (or fears) that there is going to be a relaxation of the lock down. Already it feels to me as if there is more traffic on the road going past my house than there has been for weeks. Of course, the plan might be 'another three weeks and then we will see', but the expectation of something more is there...
The ragtops all seem to have picked up on the feeling that things are going to change quite significantly from next Monday. Listening to a bit of the Jeremy Vine show on R2 (about 10 mins is about all I can usually stand..) and the general narrative on there seemed to be alluding to the same. All seems a bit odd when the announcement this morning was 30,000 deaths now linked to covid-19. Is the government panicking into something or is it just more media ‘manipulation’?
 
Doesn’t Germany have much greater devolution in terms of regions and their ability to govern day to day rather than exclusively following blanket orders from the capital?

Yep, if Merkel comes out and says something is enshrined in law (restaurants take out only, schools closed etc.), then that's that across Germany. But otherwise the states are free to do as they see fit. DIY shops for example, never shut in Berlin, shut for a certain time in Brandenburg and only opened in Bavaria two weeks ago. Yes, there's political point scoring left, right and centre of course, but it is rather more grown up to give things a regional perspective.
 
The ragtops all seem to have picked up on the feeling that things are going to change quite significantly from next Monday. Listening to a bit of the Jeremy Vine show on R2 (about 10 mins is about all I can usually stand..) and the general narrative on there seemed to be alluding to the same. All seems a bit odd when the announcement this morning was 30,000 deaths now linked to covid-19. Is the government panicking into something or is it just more media ‘manipulation’?
It because the billionaires that back the Tory party know that they don't earn millions a year. You and I earn it for them.
 
It because the billionaires that back the Tory party know that they don't earn millions a year. You and I earn it for them.
So, if I understand you correctly, and that is difficult at times, you are saying that the government is making decisions based on the wishes of certain folk who have made donations to the Tory party? And those decisions are to get employees back to work in order that the employers (the certain few who donate etc. etc.) can trouser another few million?
 
So, if I understand you correctly, and that is difficult at times, you are saying that the government is making decisions based on the wishes of certain folk who have made donations to the Tory party? And those decisions are to get employees back to work in order that the employers (the certain few who donate etc. etc.) can trouser another few million?
We all need to get back to work as soon as it is safe to do so. The damage done to the economy is already immense and will live with us in a bad way for decades. Looking at the numbers I don't think that time is now (we ain't NZ for sure) but I fear based on some of the headlines in the Tory supporting papers that we are being soften up for a premature relaxation of the rules. You have to ask yourself why? It may be that the government holds its nerve and does the right thing. From what I can see those front line workers are on the edge of breaking and a surge in numbers could push many over the edge.
 
From what I can see those front line workers are on the edge of breaking and a surge in numbers could push many over the edge.
There’s no better time to build the house you actually want than when the old one has burned down.
 
There’s definitely been more traffic on the roads for the last couple of weeks. I’ve noticed that while I’ve been out for walks / runs - I’ve gone from barely seeing a single vehicle at all to seeing one every 30 seconds at least. I’ve had to make a couple of trips for essentials beyond my local Tesco Express and to leave some bits on the doorsteps of some who are vulnerable, and on one such occasion at the start of last week the roads looked something approaching normal. Actively busy on stretches.


Doesn’t Germany have much greater devolution in terms of regions and their ability to govern day to day rather than exclusively following blanket orders from the capital? That’s the sort of thing that’s going to do wonders in moving beyond this. England just treats every last place from Cornwall to Carlisle exactly the same, which is ultimately going to prove incredibly difficult in terms of restarting the economy. Even if a remote and sparsely populated region is safe to get going again it won’t happen unless every other region gets to do the same thing, irrespective of circumstances and consequences. Because it isn’t fair, you see.

On my 15 mile drive home from work their has been a steady rise in traffic until about Tuesday this week where their was a sharp rise till today when I actually got stuck in traffic for a bit, it can’t just be people going for a fun drive in these numbers, I work with lorry/van drivers and everyone of them said this week has been markedly busier so I reckon a significant number of people have gone back to work already.

It’s pretty much lockdown ultra lite at the moment so I am not certain loosening it a bit will make much difference. I think it was you on another thread who described the death rate as becoming the new normal and you are probably right there.
 
So, if I understand you correctly, and that is difficult at times, you are saying that the government is making decisions based on the wishes of certain folk who have made donations to the Tory party? And those decisions are to get employees back to work in order that the employers (the certain few who donate etc. etc.) can trouser another few million?
Just guessing but I think part of the government thinking is based on getting the economy back up and running.
The risk is whether they ease lockdown too soon.
Also I think that the harder lockdown countries will take longer to recover and that Europe may end up fragmenting as different countries take different approaches with varied economies, and Germany for one is already looking at some of the ECB pandemic quantative easing as unlawful.
 
Now the government has announced through the Daily Mail that sunbathing and travelling for fun is going to be OK from Monday and on the party broadcast just now (but it's important you follow the guidance right now) I'll bet there's a big rise in people in parks & beaches while the sun's out over the next 2 days.

@MarkG it smells like someone in Downing St shat their self about the economy around last weekend.
 
On my 15 mile drive home from work their has been a steady rise in traffic until about Tuesday this week where their was a sharp rise till today when I actually got stuck in traffic for a bit, it can’t just be people going for a fun drive in these numbers, I work with lorry/van drivers and everyone of them said this week has been markedly busier so I reckon a significant number of people have gone back to work already.

It’s pretty much lockdown ultra lite at the moment so I am not certain loosening it a bit will make much difference. I think it was you on another thread who described the death rate as becoming the new normal and you are probably right there.
Might explain why there are 5,614 new cases today over six weeks into lockdown. 5,614!

Today's mixed messages (who briefed the press yesterday??!!) will result in more Covidiots out over the weekend. What an unnecessary mess.
 
Enterprise and capitalism is alive and thriving during the lockdown then ? :rolleyes: :sneaky:;)


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