Manager/Coach Karl Robinson - Will he walk

Very good post. Some of the recent negativity has been embarrassing. I've seen people post if we have enough points to avoid relegation, or saying that Robinson should go!

We've had a really good season so far, that could become great with playoffs and more, or simply good if we fade out at this stage. But it's not very long ago that we were worrying about the bills being paid or looking at every lost point being nearer to relegation.

We are making huge progress on and off the pitch, and whilst I still think the playoffs are a very real possibility, we are better placed to go into next season stronger still.
Not sure negativity can be seen as embarrassing - we were in very strong position at end of December and have arguably thrown away the play offs. I do like majority of the positivity you show in posts, but its not un reasonable to question decisions or criticise Robinson.
 
Not sure negativity can be seen as embarrassing - we were in very strong position at end of December and have arguably thrown away the play offs. I do like majority of the positivity you show in posts, but its not un reasonable to question decisions or criticise Robinson.

I did say some of the negativity. The thought that this season is over, that we could be relegated or Robinson sacked. That's the embarrassing stuff.

Of course things haven't gone as expected and frustration is fine, but there has been more good than bad this season, and still a third of the league still to play.
 
1. On pitch objectives were/are promotion. This was stated several times by Tiger, Zaki and Robinson at the beginning of the season and reaffirmed since January. Admittedly, the tone has changed from quietly confident to a little more hopeful, but promotion is still a real target (but not s**t or bust).

2. As above, and this Zaki is saying that the playing squad remain focused on this target. Various comments get twisted to suit, but whilst Eastwood sounded a little downbeat, Mous and others have sounded much more optimistic in recent interviews.

3. Financial management is key, and building sustainable success has to be the most important objective. No one has ruled out promotion, and the idea that the club is actively against it is bizarre. However, that doesn't mean that stupid money would be thrown at promotion now. We all know that there is a limit on how far we can go without owning or fully controlling our stadium. Tiger, Zaki and NMW have all indicated that work is taking place to resolve this (all giving different takes on timeframe immediately). The clear vision is a successful and sustainable club, on and off the pitch and at the highest possible playing level. That would indicate that promotion and the stadium issues are very much part of this vision.

4. Reducing costs and increasing income are massive if we are to become sustainable. FFP only allows us to spend what we bring in, so increased attendance, sponsorship dealers and player sales are all we have. That is why we had to consider all options in January to enable us to continue to grow. Investing in the infrastructure, training facilities, youth development etc are just as important as buying players at the top of their game. So whilst we have sold Whyte and Baptiste (Fosu came and went), we have also invested in Gorrin, Moore, Agyei, Forde and Atkinson, whilst looking to develop further those already with us. The fact that we have brought in more cash than what we've spent is testament to a good business model.

5. This is the one area that I'm not sure Tiger and co. have ever really got right. There has been much better communication but words like growth, sustainable, transparency, vision, objectives etc are very different from having a clear business plan. The counter to this is that the club then becomes a slave to timeframes and every word gets analysed and twisted to be used against them. I would hope that whatever happens this season, the club takes the time to put together a very clear vision moving forward. For example, giving a 5 year plan on becoming a stable Championship team. This may include a bounce between the leagues or more gradual organic growth year on year in league 1, but hopefully the end goal would be the same. Equally, 5 years to take fully financial control over our stadium could mean a better leasing agreement, buying the Kassam or moving elsewhere, but again the objective would be the same.

I think there are plenty of positives to take from these tweets and the general engagement of the board this season. But those wanting action rather than words will always get frustrated with comments at this stage, because this will never be a quick fix.

Could you clarify whether this is information received from the board which has allowed you to be ITK or whether it’s your personal musings?
 
What puzzles me is people saying weve had a "good" season. If we finish 12th-14th where i think we will end up, and a couple of OK cup results, is that good? Dont get me wrong we had 2-3 months of great football, but we had a horrific start and look like having a shitty end. So its been an average season.

And it could have been so much more with a tiny bit of short term ambition.
 
What puzzles me is people saying weve had a "good" season. If we finish 12th-14th where i think we will end up, and a couple of OK cup results, is that good? Dont get me wrong we had 2-3 months of great football, but we had a horrific start and look like having a shitty end. So its been an average season.

And it could have been so much more with a tiny bit of short term ambition.

"A couple of OK cup results" - hammering West Ham 4-0, getting to a Lg Cup quarter final and drawing away to Newcastle, obviously everyday events we experience every season!
 
5. This is the one area that I'm not sure Tiger and co. have ever really got right. There has been much better communication but words like growth, sustainable, transparency, vision, objectives etc are very different from having a clear business plan. The counter to this is that the club then becomes a slave to timeframes and every word gets analysed and twisted to be used against them. I would hope that whatever happens this season, the club takes the time to put together a very clear vision moving forward. For example, giving a 5 year plan on becoming a stable Championship team. This may include a bounce between the leagues or more gradual organic growth year on year in league 1, but hopefully the end goal would be the same. Equally, 5 years to take fully financial control over our stadium could mean a better leasing agreement, buying the Kassam or moving elsewhere, but again the objective would be the same.

I think there are plenty of positives to take from these tweets and the general engagement of the board this season. But those wanting action rather than words will always get frustrated with comments at this stage, because this will never be a quick fix.

5. Well yes, that was the whole point of my post really. 'Objectives', 'vision', 'development', 'aims', 'pathways' and 'pillars' are all very well. But unless those you are talking to actually know what the hell they are - and how the on-field objectives tie up with whatever the club is doing off it - they are meaningless. Is there actually a team in the EFL or below who starts the season saying ANYTHING other than 'the aim this season is promotion', except maybe those who have struggled into the Champ and will take 'consolidation'?
So I don't think those tweets have many positives (or negatives) really. You can summarise them as 'we are doing what we can without being stupid, please keep supporting the team' - which is fair enough, but not exactly enlightening.
 
5. Well yes, that was the whole point of my post really. 'Objectives', 'vision', 'development', 'aims', 'pathways' and 'pillars' are all very well. But unless those you are talking to actually know what the hell they are - and how the on-field objectives tie up with whatever the club is doing off it - they are meaningless. Is there actually a team in the EFL or below who starts the season saying ANYTHING other than 'the aim this season is promotion', except maybe those who have struggled into the Champ and will take 'consolidation'?
So I don't think those tweets have many positives (or negatives) really. You can summarise them as 'we are doing what we can without being stupid, please keep supporting the team' - which is fair enough, but not exactly enlightening.

I get that, and as I said, this is something I think the club do need to improve on without it becoming a weight around their neck.
 
I wouldn't blame Robinson for being incredibly frustrated with how things went down on January 31st.

It probably sucked his, and many of our fans, enthusiasm out for the rest of the season. Who's to say the board won't do the same thing to him next season?
 
What puzzles me is people saying weve had a "good" season. If we finish 12th-14th where i think we will end up, and a couple of OK cup results, is that good? Dont get me wrong we had 2-3 months of great football, but we had a horrific start and look like having a shitty end. So its been an average season.

And it could have been so much more with a tiny bit of short term ambition.
Ok cup results.
Are you serious? Really?
 
I don't think we can judge how good or bad a season it has been until it has actually finished!
Fail to win another game and it will be very meh, with some excellent highlights.
Win every one and and will be a brilliant one with a couple of rough patches.
Call me psychic, but I am guessing it will be somewhere between the two...
 
And to give an idea of the size of the rebuild this ‘building for the future’ squad could realistically need in the summer if we fail to win promotion this season...

It’s not inconceivable - and even pretty realistic - to think that Eastwood, Brannagan and Dickie will all go. Surely one of Mackie or Mous (if not both) will go. Taylor may not sign, and if he has genuine aspirations of championship football probably won’t. We need to replace loanee talent like Browne & Holland too.

That would leave us needing the following:

1) a new starting keeper
2) a couple of fullbacks
3) a starting CB
4) a starting CM
5) a couple of attacking/wide midfielders
6) a starting striker

in essence - it is wholly likely the entire spine of the squad (plus some other positions) will need replacing. Maybe a few of the younger lads will come in (Jones, Berkoe, Sade, Atkinson), and Agyei is improving fast...but it isn’t a stretch to see how we could be needing a MAJOR overhaul this summer

Hence I go back to - is this really building for the future, or a team at the end of its cycle? And what is KR’s appetite to be part of that rebuild?
 
Feels like some on here demand fans to be blindly optimistic no matter what. It's frankly weird.
It is and it's a quite deliberate attempt to stifle debate by painting anyone who isn't 'drinking the Kool-Aid' (as a notable poster once said) as negative and somehow being against the club in some way. This season has seen good and bad, and to deny it and claim everything in the garden is rosy all the time is bizarre. Unless there is some 'social media management' going on, of course...
 
It's pretty bloody obvious to me, that we ain't going up this season. God only knows what the board have in store for us. But. They will keep on getting loan players and buying players with a view to selling them quickly, making a profit. Where this profit goes, I don't know. Just think ourselves lucly we ain't got those Glazers getting their hands on most of our income. No wait a minute; haven't we got Curse-him taking a large chunk. I hate money men!
 
It is and it's a quite deliberate attempt to stifle debate by painting anyone who isn't 'drinking the Kool-Aid' (as a notable poster once said) as negative and somehow being against the club in some way. This season has seen good and bad, and to deny it and claim everything in the garden is rosy all the time is bizarre. Unless there is some 'social media management' going on, of course...

We lost 3 first team starters in January and didn't replace them with the same quality. There is also a strong feeling we didn't get the financial reward for at least one of those players that we deserved. Our form has been terrible since they left.

But people get stick for pointing these things out? A club with ambition would have waited to sell Shandon until the summer. Fact.
 
Feels like some on here demand fans to be blindly optimistic no matter what. It's frankly weird.


Not being blindly optimistic, I still have a belief that we have a chance to make the play offs. The chances of getting promotion maybe the same as us beating Arsenal to stay up in the old 1st division ???
 
We lost 3 first team starters in January and didn't replace them with the same quality. There is also a strong feeling we didn't get the financial reward for at least one of those players that we deserved. Our form has been terrible since they left.

But people get stick for pointing these things out? A club with ambition would have waited to sell Shandon until the summer. Fact.
I get sick of people saying the same things over and over! Yes it was probably a mistake to sell them then. Now move on. I do think some people have developed an entitled view due to us having a good run at the end of last year. We're still little Oxford, not Portsmouth, Sunderland, or Man City - we can't expect to be top of League One, though we can hope for it.
 
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