National News Official 2019 General Election Thread

Banbury2018 said:
The Liberal Democrat’s!? have wanted PR for years eg 2011 AV(different to PR) which I believe they had as part of the coalition agreement in 2010. I think they lost support from that agreement though ( tuition fees).
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I'm afraid the point you're trying to make here is rather lost on me.
 
m said:
I'm afraid the point you're trying to make here is rather lost on me.
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You say are you really sure Liberal Democrat’s?! have been fine with PR up until this point. Well yes they have been desperate for PR for years.
 
Banbury2018 said:
You say are you really sure Liberal Democrat’s?! have been fine with PR up until this point. Well yes they have been desperate for PR for years.
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Ah, a typo. Apologies.

You said that liberals (and greens) didn't bat an eyelid to the injustice of first past the post when UKIP did well but are now.

I meant to counter that argument.

To be clear, everyone outside of Labour and the Conservatives has been in favour of PR since the year dot - regardless of what UKIP have been doing.
 
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m said:
Ah, a typo. Apologies.

You said that liberals (and greens) didn't bat an eyelid to the injustice of first past the post when UKIP did well but are now.

I meant to counter that argument.

To be clear, everyone outside of Labour and the Conservatives has been in favour of PR since the year dot - regardless of what UKIP have been doing.
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Cool. Anyway I have work in the morning so once I have finished my lager ? I am off to bed. Have a good weekend and let’s both(hopefully) enjoy 3 points for the mighty yellows at MK tomorrow.
 
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Who will be Labour's next leader?

A look at the candidates for leader and deputy leader - and how the winner will be chosen.
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The race to be next Labour leader begins.

Yvette Cooper would be my choice, Labour needs a unifying moderate.

Long-Bailey is the Lefts’ heir apparent. So I expect that’s who it will be.
 
Yellow River said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Who will be Labour's next leader?

A look at the candidates for leader and deputy leader - and how the winner will be chosen.
www.bbc.co.uk

The race to be next Labour leader begins.

Yvette Cooper would be my choice, Labour needs a unifying moderate.

Long-Bailey is the Lefts’ heir apparent. So I expect that’s who it will be.
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I agree which will be a spectacular own goal and show a deep misunderstanding of what the party needs to do if it hopes to gain power in the next decade.
 
If they went for Dan Jarvis that wouldn’t leave the press much to go at Labour with, an officer in the paras for years who voted to remain but then voted for article 50 as he wanted to respect his constituencies views, also a member of Labour friends of Israel (which gives him no chance of getting past the party members). They won’t vote for someone who is actually electable though, they are a student protest party now.

Needs a new left of centre party to take on the tories, frankly if you can’t be confident of beating a Tory party led by Boris Johnson in 5 years time after Brexit has settled down and they have been in power for 15 years then you are a bit pointless.
 
bashamwonderland said:
Keir Starmer would be a good choice for them. People are also saying Jess Phillips which would be hilarious because most men wouldn't vote for her.

Yvette cooper feels a bit Tory-lite.
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But Keir Starmer was completely unable to answer a question on Brexit and just stammered and stared into the camera like a rabbit in the headlights?!...
 
The choice at the moment looks appalling.
I didn’t like Tony Blair, but he was electable and they skipped a generation to do it.
I want to see a credible opposition to Johnson, and none of the names mentioned inspire me much.
They need Someone like Alan Johnson. Career politicians are all too common nowadays. Too many now who’ve been research assistants or students of PPE as a step into a political career.
As for Jess Phillips, I know she was a care assistant and a difficult start in life but as a serious contender for high office, she doesn’t look the part at all.
If only we could have a prime minister like the one in NZ. The way she dealt with the volcanic eruption and the bomber over there recently. What empathy with the people...sadly lacking over here today.
 
Hi all,
I’m British but been living in the US for 20+ years so been detached really from UK politics and particularly the brexit decision.
Without dumbing down the discussion what would the unbiased rational view be as to why the tories won so convincingly?
Was it that corbyn was so bad however accurate or exaggerated his persona was or was it, and this is my general sense, it that everyone was so sick and tired of brexit and politics in general that they wanted things (namely brexit) over and done with and less so any particular virtue on the part of the Tory government?
(Maybe this has been answered but I haven’t had time to read the entire thread!!)
 
jayhi1810 said:
Hi all,
I’m British but been living in the US for 20+ years so been detached really from UK politics and particularly the brexit decision.
Without dumbing down the discussion what would the unbiased rational view be as to why the tories won so convincingly?
Was it that corbyn was so bad however accurate or exaggerated his persona was or was it, and this is my general sense, it that everyone was so sick and tired of brexit and politics in general that they wanted things (namely brexit) over and done with and less so any particular virtue on the part of the Tory government?
(Maybe this has been answered but I haven’t had time to read the entire thread!!)
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IMO combination of factors - Brexit being one of them, trotting out 'get brexit done' 'take back control' at every chance like a Trump like matra, Corbyn vilified by tabloids, and said vilification sticking, along with Torys in debates attacking him verbally/smearing him & labours manifesto policys, instead of proclaiming discussing their own policies, a campaign of tory dirty tricks/ rule bending/ electoral cheating with misleading sites set up on various social media outlets , plus failure in the main to call out/ vilify Johnson for his absolute catalogue of gaffes and out right lies and Johnson swerving Televised interviews/ debates with proper investagivative interviewers.... and there was Corbyn/Labours failure to engage with thier former solid working class heartlands |( esp on brexit)

that said, in Oxford, Oxford East was a Labour hold, Dodds majority reduced by 2000 to 'just' 8000... and Oxford West, often a swing seat between tory and lib dem, saw Lib Dem's go from a few hundred majority to one of several thousand for Layla Moran ... the rest of the Oxon shire seats, where even a monkey with a blue rosette would always be elected, so they all remained as per, tory seats
 
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I think it would be easy to say it is all brexit. Liberals were well beaten because in my view they were prepared to cancel brexit without a vote.
Corbyn was beaten, I believe, because he has little personality. He has perceived links to terrorist sympathisers. His slogan for the many, not the few, didn’t work as middle income earners thought they would be out of pocket.
Corbyn didn’t proclaim to have a view on brexit, although he has held one in the past.
Johnson despite many misgivings was seen as someone who wanted to get on and carry out day to day business. He could see the public were fed up with brexit.
I for one think Corbyn was too old to be a leader...he would be nearly 80 in five years time. There also doesn’t appear to be any natural successor to him.
Although Johnson was only in office a matter of months he was able to enjoy a honeymoon period. The Brexit Party had enjoyed electoral success in the European elections and their standing down at so many northern seats enabled them to allow the Conservatives in
 
Peterdev said:
Liberals were well beaten because in my view they were prepared to cancel brexit without a vote
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... Apart from the national vote they would have had to win, whilst campaigning on a promise of cancelling Brexit, you mean. Apart from that vote, there would be no vote on the issue... ?
 
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