National News Official 2019 General Election Thread

chuckbert said:
This election is perfectly set up for the Aussie style. Just you wait, absolutely unrestrained ad hominem attacks on Corbyn, capitalising on the fact that there is a sentiment around that people don't like him.
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I think he started some time ago, chuck :giggle:
 
Paul Cannell said:
BMA don't sound too impressed.

What about the 100,000 job vacancies in the NHS?
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The hours are great, the money is OK..... takes time to train Doctors & Nurses, need a whole system rethink around nursing bursaries etc etc.
100,000 isn`t actually a huge percentage of 1.5 million staff.... think we currently have an 8.8% vacancy rate.
GP`s are rarely happy however their situation would be helped if folk took a bit more self responsibility and didn`t go to the GP`s for a cold.... and turned up for appointments when they make them!
 
chuckbert said:
This election is perfectly set up for the Aussie style. Just you wait, absolutely unrestrained ad hominem attacks on Corbyn, capitalising on the fact that there is a sentiment around that people don't like him. Full-on negative campaigning. This worked against Bill Shorten - big pictures of his face next to slogans like "the biggest Bill you'll pay this year". Corbyn's too easy a target for this, and those who like their thinking easy will lap up the message.
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From the little I know, it was not a pleasant sort of election. There is a enough dirt on Corbyn and others in the Labour Party, but I question if the public have the appetite for more of the same and might want to see more aspiration vs negativity. Seems like Isaac was a key player in the 2015 election win by the Tories.

I see Lindsay Hoyle is the new speaker of the house. What a difference in style and nature to the predecessor and I hope his stated aims of making the HoP a better place are true. One can only hope the old speaker can take a medicament for his grumpiness.
 
Whilst I agree with the substance, you've got to marvel at the hypocrisy of this from Steve Baker:

"Steve Baker, the chair of the European Research Group band of hardline Tory Brexiteers, warned that Mr Farage is risking creating a hung Parliament by “dogmatically pursuing purity”.
Mr Baker told The Telegraph: “That’s the irony of Nigel Farage. He risks being the man who hands Boris a weak and indecisive Parliament, and bringing about, therefore, his own worst fears.”

Yeah, says the man who did arguably the most to bring down Teresa May's government, and without whose opposition to May's deal, we'd likely have exited six months ago!

Not that I'm complaining - Brexiteers' aversion to pragmatism is Remainers' last best hope.
 
Essexyellows said:
The hours are great, the money is OK..... takes time to train Doctors & Nurses, need a whole system rethink around nursing bursaries etc etc.
100,000 isn`t actually a huge percentage of 1.5 million staff.... think we currently have an 8.8% vacancy rate.
GP`s are rarely happy however their situation would be helped if folk took a bit more self responsibility and didn`t go to the GP`s for a cold.... and turned up for appointments when they make them!
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I agree with that, says me sitting at home with one and not being paid because I’m self employed
 
Tory promises: Tories deliver 0 (none, zero) of starter homes promised in 2015 manifesto.

"In April 2015, the Conservative Party manifesto committed to “200,000 Starter Homes, which will be sold at a 20% discount and will be built exclusively for first-time buyers under the age of 40.".................... In July 2018, the Department clarified that it had spent £250 million buying land to build affordable properties from two funds, the Starter Homes Land Fund and the Land Assembly Fund, with work under way to get the land ready for development, but that building had not yet started."
 
Paul Cannell said:
Tory promises: Tories deliver 0 (none, zero) of starter homes promised in 2015 manifesto.

"In April 2015, the Conservative Party manifesto committed to “200,000 Starter Homes, which will be sold at a 20% discount and will be built exclusively for first-time buyers under the age of 40.".................... In July 2018, the Department clarified that it had spent £250 million buying land to build affordable properties from two funds, the Starter Homes Land Fund and the Land Assembly Fund, with work under way to get the land ready for development, but that building had not yet started."
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If the commercial builders don`t build the developments, that have the built in quota of starter/affordable homes, then they won`t appear out of thin air. Ergo "has not started.........."..........yet.
 
From that very same report..................
"The ambition to deliver 300,000 net additional homes is supported by an extensive and complex array of policies (Figure 2 on pages 6 and 7), many of which pre-date this Parliament and have been carried over from previous housing programmes. The programme to create Starter Homes is one of these and was first publicised in 2014. "

3/10 must try harder.
 
Sarge said:
JRM aka lord snooty blames the victims of Grenfell .... then has to apologise!!!

www.theguardian.com

Rees-Mogg sorry for saying Grenfell victims lacked common sense

Commons leader apologises after criticism over his remarks on adherence to stay-put policy
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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When I read the comments earlier, I sighed heavily as it read very, very badly. Having watched the conversation, the choice of words is still inappropriate and lacking in care, but it comes down to confirmation bias - I don't think the intention was there to say the people that died lacked common sense, but on paper is reads as such so an apology is justified.

Regardless, politicians have to be a lot more careful and respectful in how they talk about Grenfell Tower and the choice of words they use.

Having volunteered on management committee of a block of flats a long time ago, I never understood the stay policy of the Fire Brigade. It makes massive assumptions about the ability of buildings to stop fire spreading and the fire safety policies in place. Nowadays, there is no way I'd sit in a flat if there was a fire in the block. I'd be gone ASAP.
 
Gary Baldi said:
When I read the comments earlier, I sighed heavily as it read very, very badly. Having watched the conversation, the choice of words is still inappropriate and lacking in care, but it comes down to confirmation bias - I don't think the intention was there to say the people that died lacked common sense, but on paper is reads as such so an apology is justified.

Regardless, politicians have to be a lot more careful and respectful in how they talk about Grenfell Tower and the choice of words they use.

Having volunteered on management committee of a block of flats a long time ago, I never understood the stay policy of the Fire Brigade. It makes massive assumptions about the ability of buildings to stop fire spreading and the fire safety policies in place. Nowadays, there is no way I'd sit in a flat if there was a fire in the block. I'd be gone ASAP.
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You are not alone in that thought.

Unfortunately we live in a society that is managing out "common sense" and folk expect others to make decisions for them. The Fire Brigade always used to say "Get out, stay out". Even in a large tower block that has to be the best advice.
 
Essexyellows said:
You are not alone in that thought.

Unfortunately we live in a society that is managing out "common sense" and folk expect others to make decisions for them. The Fire Brigade always used to say "Get out, stay out". Even in a large tower block that has to be the best advice.
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I appreciate that for people above the fire, that things are more awkward and policies have to be very carefully thought through, and although I understood why the Fire Service ask people to stay, but I just could not in all consciousness sit still and wait with a fire blazing. It's a personal choice and certainly not a back handed sneer at anyone for staying or intended to be. It's an awful decision that any of us would have to take.

Whoever gets into Govt next needs to do a lot more work with the Fire Service on prevention and perhaps update the advice so it represents the variety of flats blocks that are available, and their age, in a more nuanced way.
 
The next time some snooty Tory calls Corbyn a Marxist, I'd like to see Labour showing two films of the buffoon that's in charge of the Tory party. Remember when Donald Chump's friend played in a charity football match at Wembley, when he charged into the opposing player's body. What an idiot. Also the time he was shown playing a bit of rugby and he smashed into that young boy. What a complete and utter berk. And we are going to trust him to run this country...........................................?Marx, by the way , didn't want the working class to be exploited by greedy capitalists. And that makes him bad? His previous 'support' of the IRA and Palestinians is the thing letting him down.
 
There is also the fact that 223 out of 293 in the building survived, the majority by leaving 55 of the 72 who perished had been told to "stay put".
Hindsight is a wonderful thing however the chain of events that lead to the tragedy is so complex that nobody will be found "to blame" which will be of no relief to the families.
 
I think the fire service made the assumption that the building met the prevailing fire regulations for tower flat. Which were probably inadequate given the south London fire a few years before, but were not enforced. Convenient scapegoat.
 
amershamdave said:
The next time some snooty Tory calls Corbyn a Marxist, I'd like to see Labour showing two films of the buffoon that's in charge of the Tory party. Remember when Donald Chump's friend played in a charity football match at Wembley, when he charged into the opposing player's body. What an idiot. Also the time he was shown playing a bit of rugby and he smashed into that young boy. What a complete and utter berk. And we are going to trust him to run this country...........................................?Marx, by the way , didn't want the working class to be exploited by greedy capitalists. And that makes him bad? His previous 'support' of the IRA and Palestinians is the thing letting him down.
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Uhhh...

 
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