Chairman Winding up order served by Kassam

RyanioBirdio said:
Staggering that some people still have a dim witted outlook of “I don’t care, Kassam is a bad man, let’s carry on getting him and giving him hell! Yaaaarrrrrrr!”

The guy holds all of the cards and he is in charge of our fate more than anybody else. Anybody with half a brain can realise that therefore he needs to be approached with caution and dealt with carefully - it has NOTHING to do with whether he’s right or wrong, good or bad etc, and nobody is saying he should be ‘bowed down’ to. You can be civil with somebody and simply not punch them in the face without it being a case of worshipping them. At the end of the day, you don’t win a war by running bollock naked towards your opponent while armed only with a rock. They have an army and a load of guns - you’re going to get yourself shot. You need to be more calculated and to look for ways in which you can trip them up, and if you just can’t get them, you figure out how to simply survive for the time being. It’s absolutely moronic to think the best thing to do is keep going - the guy will crush us. Have some common sense and realise where we’re at, and stop blindly banging the drum. It was reckless and irresponsible to publicly swipe at him the way we did, because as we’ve seen, we don’t even have a pot to P**s in. We were never in a position to take him on.

Too much blind emotion is what got us into this crap in the first place.
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Kassam is the typical school yard bully and has been all his life. Just because he holds all the cards doesn't mean that we have to kiss his a**e and dance to his tune. Like all bullies, sometimes you have to go toe to toe with them, even if it means losing every now and then.

You are quick to slag off Robinson and Tiger but can't see the real villain of this piece. Get your head out of your a**e and grow a pair!!
 
Simon Bradders said:
@Scotchegg tell me what Firoka have done wrong?
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I agree. Firoka aren't the ones to blame here. FK himself is a business man who did what he had to do to get what he wanted out of us. Others signed the contract that he offered them and now we're stuck with a contractual agreement.

He's not in the wrong in that sense.
 
Why should the blame only be laid at one door?
Kassam has royally screwed us for years and has absolutely 0 compassion for the club. Our current owners appear to give as much of a toss as Kassam, they too are leading us into oblivion. Nick Merry & Co for signing that club killing contract with FK... Be angry with all of them!

They're all just taking a giant sh*te on OUFC without giving a monkeys how it effects the fans.
 
Firoka may have done nothing wrong legally - but they are (and always have been) a hostile landlord, whose intention is simply to squeeze as much money out of the 'asset' as possible. Kassam may have claimed to be 'the guardian of the club' but if that were true then it would be far easier to deal with him than any chairman has ever found. From the initial agreement with IL/NM up to the present day he has NEVER had the interests of the club at heart, or even under consideration. So he certainly is no friend of the club - no matter how charming he might be to some people on a one-to-one basis. He is a businessman maximising his profits and I suspect he still harbours a grudge about the way his chairmanship/ownership worked out.

ST obviously has little readily available money and didn't do his due diligence properly before buying the club. Not to factor in that the arbitration might not go for the club or to have enough ready money to cover the PAYE is simply ridiculous. He is playing fantasy football chairman and hoping that somehow it comes out all right. He's got a few rich associates who are simply keeping an eye out for the main chance. Without a gilt-edged property opportunity somehow presenting itself they won't put in any significant money. Could we actually ever even afford to be promoted with ST at the helm (a very very theoretical question at the moment!)? Would relegation reduce costs enough for him to be able to keep us going (not so theoretical unfortuantely)?

(Let's leave Robinson out of this for the moment, simply because he has nothing to do with the financial running of the club.)
 
Simon Bradders said:
@Scotchegg tell me what Firoka have done wrong?
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He has a legally binding contract and therefore is entitled to be paid as per that contract. However that doesn't take away from the fact that he's a nasty little s**t who has milked every penny from this club. He has singled handedly done more to hurt our club than all of Thailands business elite, DE, Leneghan and countless of below standard managers.
 
So to clarify, he's done nothing wrong over this latest episode. Glad, we've got that agreed.

I've witnessed little evidence in the past few years that Kassam is a nasty s**t. I also don't listen to half-truths and anger-filled comments about the landlord from people who don't know the truth or don't have facts to substantiate their claims. Sorry if this is breaking away from the 'Kassam is the Devil' rhetoric.

As I say, let's wait to see what else the media find out. Oh and my point about the Ultras on Saturday..........where everyone assumes Firoka are a bunch of ****s, wasn't actually the case was it.
 
Oh @Scotchegg we don't pay £1m per annum in rent, another LIE from our football club which created a few days of Anti-Kassam feeling.
 
Simon Bradders said:
Oh @Scotchegg we don't pay £1m per annum in rent, another LIE from our football club which created a few days of Anti-Kassam feeling.
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I didn't mention the £1m in rent??!! But we do pay well over the odds for a P**s poor stadium with a pathetic level of service. Do you believe we get good value for money, or that Kassam has the clubs best interest at heart?
 
Simon Bradders said:
So to clarify, he's done nothing wrong over this latest episode. Glad, we've got that agreed.

I've witnessed little evidence in the past few years that Kassam is a nasty s**t. I also don't listen to half-truths and anger-filled comments about the landlord from people who don't know the truth or don't have facts to substantiate their claims. Sorry if this is breaking away from the 'Kassam is the Devil' rhetoric.

As I say, let's wait to see what else the media find out. Oh and my point about the Ultras on Saturday..........where everyone assumes Firoka are a bunch of ****s, wasn't actually the case was it.
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Also you might not listen to half truths and anger filled comments, but you are happy to put them out there. Rather than little snippets of info and "let's see what the media find out" why not just come out and say what you know. Too many people enjoy playing the "I know more than you" bullshit without actually saying anything.

Now is a good time to stop all the pretentious postering and put everything in the public domain and let people make up their own minds as to what is going on.
 
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Simon Bradders said:
They knew about this for some time, 100%. But the club management - middle and senior - are at best being disingenuous with what they are telling people. I won't use the word lie. I bet they have a few more s**t storms to deal with yet.........
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I can't imagine how the club could not have known about this charge, it's value or when it is due. I don't believe that the club management is behaving in a fit and proper way towards Stadco or Kassam. The '5 sites' fiasco was laughable fantasy and why they were dumb enough to poke the lion while still in his cage beggars belief. Kassam is a problem but, like the Alps, he's there; I don't believe he's actively against the club but rather that he wants it to meet it's legal commitments.

I'm certain the club used the FlagGate2 and the Mixter resignation fiasco (partly by way of pointing the blame at Stadco) as a diversion to keep eyes from their (afaik) abject mismanagement of the club last weekend. Shameful.

It's a shame that so many posters on attention has been focused on Kassam by this little smokescreen. The bow-tied Walter Mitty is the threat to the club that has to be dealt with first.
 
It's difficult with all the emotion going round at the moment, but lets be honest nobody knows what is really going on. I feel sorry for the staff caught up in this (ticket office, web team, marketing) who love what they do and are being caught up. It's not there fault and they should be treated with respect.

I also feel sorry for KR and the team - it must be impossible not to get distracted with all that is going on. We need to get FULLY behind the TEAM and the MANAGER. Now is not a time for blaming KR or the PLAYERS. We are where we are - we need to stop venting against them and support the team.
 
Simon Bradders said:
So to clarify, he's done nothing wrong over this latest episode. Glad, we've got that agreed.

I've witnessed little evidence in the past few years that Kassam is a nasty s**t. I also don't listen to half-truths and anger-filled comments about the landlord from people who don't know the truth or don't have facts to substantiate their claims. Sorry if this is breaking away from the 'Kassam is the Devil' rhetoric.

As I say, let's wait to see what else the media find out. Oh and my point about the Ultras on Saturday..........where everyone assumes Firoka are a bunch of ****s, wasn't actually the case was it.
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Come on Bradders!

I get that you have had seemingly productive talks with him, but let's not dismiss previous actions!

The statement that club and ground would never be split?

The asset transfer of the Manor and then subsequent sale at double the price?

The promise of revenue from his Grenoble Road empire assisting the club?

None of it illegal, but none of it remotely in any interest of OUFC, and all of it probably outright damaging.
 
Scotchegg said:
I didn't mention the £1m in rent??!! But we do pay well over the odds for a P**s poor stadium with a pathetic level of service. Do you believe we get good value for money, or that Kassam has the clubs best interest at heart?
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Yes we do get reasonable value, if you took the time to compare what other football clubs have to pay rent to their landlords By the way, there is a fair few.

We pay circa £300,000 rent.

Should the football club look to work on a new deal for revenue splits, something that was on the table, if the football club looked to work with Firoka on a 4th stand, yes that too was on the table, then things might start working. It'll take time because until November, some members of staff were more intent on pursuing an arbitration they were unlikely to win, whilst seeing the legal bill increase.
 
m said:
Come on Bradders!

I get that you have had seemingly productive talks with him, but let's not dismiss previous actions!

The statement that club and ground would never be split?

The asset transfer of the Manor and then subsequent sale at double the price?

The promise of revenue from his Grenoble Road empire assisting the club?

None of it illegal, but none of it remotely in any interest of OUFC, and all of it probably outright damaging.
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That's all fair. It was all over ten years ago though. The ground/club split has to be laid at the door of Merry and Lenagan.

Time moves on, people change.
 
Simon Bradders said:
Yes we do get reasonable value, if you took the time to compare what other football clubs have to pay rent to their landlords By the way, there is a fair few.

We pay circa £300,000 rent.

Should the football club look to work on a new deal for revenue splits, something that was on the table, if the football club looked to work with Firoka on a 4th stand, yes that too was on the table, then things might start working. It'll take time because until November, some members of staff were more intent on pursuing an arbitration they were unlikely to win, whilst seeing the legal bill increase.
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Do you see it as value for money for a League 1 football club when you include the service charge?
 
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