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The thing is no one would drive to football in London as they have good public transport and are accustomed to using it. Oxford also has really narrow roads on the way in to the city. It’s nothing to do with the university
Most people in zone 1 and 2 don't even keep cars anymore, I didnt even bother learning to drive. But I dont think our public transport is that great, but probably is better than smaller cities like Oxford
 

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If this new stadium goes ahead as suggested, will any other club have moved to new stadiums twice in such quick succession?
 

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Difference between the HS2 and the east west rail link, m40 is the hs2 doesn't have any benefit to the local area.
Not directly, but it does free up capacity on the lines that we do use. Plus any freight it removes from the roads will also be a benefit.
I really don’t know if that warrants the cost though.
 

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I think Oxford had a tram network in the early years of the 20th century. I seem to remember seeing an old photo of the High Street with tramlines down the middle.
Can't see what's wrong with the penny-farthing tbh. They look good in photos of Magdalen Bridge.
 

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This stadium that England are playing in currently has given me an idea.. Maybe we could build something like this at grenoble Road. Could build a tower block in each corner atleast it would blend in with the scenery and be seen for miles.
The editing team for the title sequence of “Lewis” will have their work cut out. 🤣
 

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If this new stadium goes ahead as suggested, will any other club have moved to new stadiums twice in such quick succession?

Wimbledon, mk dons and Brighton. But they all moved in to a temporary stadium and then built their own.
 

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If this new stadium goes ahead as suggested, will any other club have moved to new stadiums twice in such quick succession?
Darlington ... not for the right reasons and no quite new though.
 

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Oxpens is the absolute dream location for a new stadium, it would be perfect, but sadly we all know it will only remain a dream. Not a chance in hell of that one ever happening!

Not directly, but it does free up capacity on the lines that we do use. Plus any freight it removes from the roads will also be a benefit.
I really don’t know if that warrants the cost though.
For years politicians have talked of an integrated transport policy the main thrust of which is getting freight off roads and onto trains. It's never happened because it's totally impractical. HS2 isn't being built for freight. Not unless it's viable to transport shipping crates and 44 tonne lorries at 200mph between cities with no stops on the way. HS2 is a vanity project desecrating large swathes of countryside and wildlife at a cost to the taxpayer of £100billion + and by the time it eventually gets built will have been rendered a white elephant as technology and mobility (already accelerated by Covid) move on.Not to mention the fact that tickets to travel on it will be unaffordable.
 

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Suspect the most likely outcome to all this is United stay at the KS, probably re-furbished and with a 4th stand added, timescale uncertain.

Not unless Kassam is gifting us the stadium its not.
 

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The logic goes like this. OU continues to play. Options. Play at Swindon, Reading, Northampton, unlikely. Play at a new ground in/near Oxford, that could take an awful long time, planning issues given enabling development, etc required, otherwise finance has to be raised elsewhere. May never be resolved. It's the old Sherlock Holmes m/o, what's left, however difficult it may be with the current owner of the ground. So the most likely outcome, albeit with problems, but arguably less of them than with the alternatives, is staying at the KS.

I tell you one thing i know, if the only option is to stay at the Kassam under a lease then the current board will more then likely walk away. They can not take the club forward under the current terms and cannot maximise their return.

We need to hear what the new owners have to say before judging.
 

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All 3 options have issues. Some more difficult to resolve than others. One of the 3 needs to fly otherwise OU really is in difficulty. The KS freehold or better lease terms seem to me the most likely outcomes. We will see !
Can I suggest that you read the rest of this thread before posting any further. It would save so much time for others to have to go through all this again!
 

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All 3 options have issues. Some more difficult to resolve than others. One of the 3 needs to fly otherwise OU really is in difficulty. The KS freehold or better lease terms seem to me the most likely outcomes. We will see !

It don't matter how good the lease is on the Kassam, the fact is its not up to standard to meet the requirements of a championship stadium, you may say it only needs a temporarily stand to meet the requirements and you are correct but if the board are trying to establish us as a top 30 club then certainly we need a better stadium or atleast a full refurb of the kassam. Who's paying for this if we are only going to lease it?
 

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Suspect the most likely outcome to all this is United stay at the KS, probably re-furbished and with a 4th stand added, timescale uncertain.
I also suggest that you read this thread and a lot of the other threads on the ground
 

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Have read extensively. If OU can persuade planners, etc, etc to agree to a new stadium/associated development all well and good. They could achieve that and worth a try, but I believe the odds are against. That's why said what I considered the likely outcome, the KS. Not saying that's what I want, or the best outcome, simply the most likely. Say KS 70%, new stadium 20%, nearest other stadia 10%. We'll see. (you may know something I don't, if so trying to see what that is !)
But (as we have asked a million times) what would be the benefit of anyone buying the current stadium? As far as anyone knows, the whole development is not going to be for sale for the foreseeable future - it would just be the stadium. How is any investor going to even get their money back by paying over the odds for a stadium that needs millions of pounds spent on it and is home to a loss making (well most years!) football club? Unless the football club pays *even more* to play there, there are not that many ways of increasing income substantially enough to cover the cost of the purchase at anything like commercial rates. A development where there are shops etc (and maybe even housing) would be a goer - the current stadium just isn't.
 

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For years politicians have talked of an integrated transport policy the main thrust of which is getting freight off roads and onto trains. It's never happened because it's totally impractical. HS2 isn't being built for freight. Not unless it's viable to transport shipping crates and 44 tonne lorries at 200mph between cities with no stops on the way. HS2 is a vanity project desecrating large swathes of countryside and wildlife at a cost to the taxpayer of £100billion + and by the time it eventually gets built will have been rendered a white elephant as technology and mobility (already accelerated by Covid) move on.Not to mention the fact that tickets to travel on it will be unaffordable.
Maybe, but the French have just completed an entirely new network to replace the TGV.
Many countries still see progress in rail
 

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Unfortunately there won’t be an opportunity to build a new stadium in the Oxpens area. Over the last ten years the city council in conjunction with Oxford colleges (particularly Nuffield) and property developers have put together plans for Oxford’s new ‘West End’. The artist’s impression above iirc comes from press releases about 18 months ago? The final plan hasn’t been approved but the available land has provisionally been allocated for a new railway station, housing (mainly student with some social and private), possibly a new school and university buildings. That’s not an exhaustive list but there hasn’t been mention of a footie stadium. As a Yellow who still lives in the city centre (definitely an endangered species) I’d have been on it, seeking clarification from my local councillors etc.

Great idea though, perhaps I should have suggested it! Also, the local NIMBYs, in an area now filled with lawyers, academics and PR types there are lots of them, would have been all over it like a rash, and not in a good way. With apologies to all lawyers, academics and PR types reading this. Oh well, pity that City don’t still have that lease on the White House ground...

 
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The latest update from OxVox appears to pour cold water over much of what’s been written on this thread.

Still, I guess the club could be telling the ITK’ers more than OxVox. Seems a strange choice, though.
 
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