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I agree with West Oxon U's, that is an excellent piece by Oxblogger.

Having now slept on it, while also doing a lot of reading up on the events of yesterday, so as not to make a knee jerk reaction, I'm still equally as astounded now as I was at the time, that Crewe travelled to the stadium knowing what they did. I'm still equally astounded and disgusted by the Dave Artell interview. I can't work out if he's stupid, belligerent, in denial, not a good interviewee, an unwilling front man, or a combination of the above? What comes out of his mouth over the coming days may tell us more, but my money is on stupid being at least one factor.

On the subject of stupid, I have read some unbelievably stupid "comments" from Crewe fans on social media regarding this incident. I know we all want to defend our own club, but you just cannot blindly defend the indefensible in the way that some of these morons have. Some of them even claiming Oxford are in the wrong and were afraid to play them. Too f*****g right we were afraid to play them, but not because they're some footballing superpower, but because we, quite correctly, do not want to expose our players and staff to the COVID that exists within their ranks! I'm now adding Crewe (who I couldn't give a toss about before yesterday) to the extensively long list of clubs that I dislike and take delight when they lose.

If there's any possible silver lining to come out of yesterday it's that I'm even more proud now of our club and the people running it. f**k me, I wish we could get back to normal though!!!
 
PottersRightBoot said:
Yes, great article. The question now is, when did Beckles tell his employers he had tested positive? As soon as his result came through or as the Crewe coach turned into Grenoble Road?
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All the reports so far indicate that he got the result at 08:45 Saturday morning which is when he informed Crewe. (allegedly!)
 
PottersRightBoot said:
Yes, great article. The question now is, when did Beckles tell his employers he had tested positive? As soon as his result came through or as the Crewe coach turned into Grenoble Road?
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And at what point did OUFC become aware that a Crewe player (Beckles) had tested positive?
 
outsidethebox said:
And at what point did OUFC become aware that a Crewe player (Beckles) had tested positive?
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This is the key bit. If Crewe knew and didn't tell OUFC until they reached the stadium and had been using the facilities hours later, they have deliberately concealed the presence of COVID in their ranks from Oxford United and exposed them to the virus in the process. That goes beyond a 'breach of COVID guidelines' - that honestly seems criminally negligent/reckless. If coughing at someone, knowing you have COVID, is now considered assault, why wouldn't this be, too? There simply must be some kind of sanction against the club - Oxford United have all been deliberately put in danger by the reckless actions of another club, and, to be honest, I am surprised they are not kicking up more of a stink.
 
Colin B said:
I agree with West Oxon U's, that is an excellent piece by Oxblogger.

Having now slept on it, while also doing a lot of reading up on the events of yesterday, so as not to make a knee jerk reaction, I'm still equally as astounded now as I was at the time, that Crewe travelled to the stadium knowing what they did. I'm still equally astounded and disgusted by the Dave Artell interview. I can't work out if he's stupid, belligerent, in denial, not a good interviewee, an unwilling front man, or a combination of the above? What comes out of his mouth over the coming days may tell us more, but my money is on stupid being at least one factor.

On the subject of stupid, I have read some unbelievably stupid "comments" from Crewe fans on social media regarding this incident. I know we all want to defend our own club, but you just cannot blindly defend the indefensible in the way that some of these morons have. Some of them even claiming Oxford are in the wrong and were afraid to play them. Too f*****g right we were afraid to play them, but not because they're some footballing superpower, but because we, quite correctly, do not want to expose our players and staff to the COVID that exists within their ranks! I'm now adding Crewe (who I couldn't give a toss about before yesterday) to the extensively long list of clubs that I dislike and take delight when they lose.

If there's any possible silver lining to come out of yesterday it's that I'm even more proud now of our club and the people running it. f**k me, I wish we could get back to normal though!!!
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Crewe, northern working class town with little purpose now that the railways have declined, not likely to have very intelligent fans. But some idiot here was saying they should just get on with it yesterday.
 
outsidethebox said:
And at what point did OUFC become aware that a Crewe player (Beckles) had tested positive?
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This falls into a grey area. There has been talk of social media being involved but, the club's comments indicate that at 13:40 when Crewe arrived at the ground, they then informed the club.
It's worth listening to KR's interview to get a good idea of what transpired, and when.
 
m said:
Absolutely no attempt to defend Artell or Crewe's actions here, these are indefensible.

For me the point that @Ian makes that rings true is on testing.

Absolutely no reason why the public purse should pay for week in, week out testing of players, that's not fair or right.

But, when someone tests positive, and others may be affected, whilst going about their daily working routines, with all the rhetoric re 'test, test, test', and trumpeting of capacity....well....it's a failing, surely?
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So are you saying all the Crewe squad attempted to get a test but couldn’t?

Or did they just not bother?

Two very different scenarios
 
MC Yellow said:
So are you saying all the Crewe squad attempted to get a test but couldn’t?

Or did they just not bother?

Two very different scenarios
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Yeah, they are different scenarios.

I don't know which might be the case.
 
werthersoriginal said:
Crewe, northern working class town with little purpose now that the railways have declined, not likely to have very intelligent fans. But some idiot here was saying they should just get on with it yesterday.
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Yeah, its called frustration at the situation. You wouldn't call me an idiot to my face so please, don't act all sanctimonious. I think a lot of reactionary stuff was said on here, yesterday. I was disappointed. We all were.
 
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monsieurgrumpy said:
According to The Oxford Mail, and in red lettering just in case we missed it, "United only discovered the issue after the visitors arrived at The Kassam stadium".
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Certainly hope that's the case. It's just that there seemed to be a notion that news had filtered through to OUFC prior to Crewe's arrival at the ground.
 
I've been thinking about the 'should teams that cannot play their matches due to having coronavirus in their ranks forfeit the game' thing that's been trotted out a few times.

I *really* don't think that's a good idea. Why? Well because it encourages teams *not* to have their players tested and potentially to hide any signs of illness in their ranks - players will just be quietly dropped, be 'rested' for the next game, have a mild strain somewhere etc. So you'll get infected players involved in games, thus spreading the damn virus around even more.

That of course does not excuse Crewe, who *knew* they'd been in contact with the infection for hours in a team bus and just turned up anyway - that might well be worthy of punishment.
 
Manorlounger said:
This falls into a grey area. There has been talk of social media being involved but, the club's comments indicate that at 13:40 when Crewe arrived at the ground, they then informed the club.
It's worth listening to KR's interview to get a good idea of what transpired, and when.
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Arrived at the ground and, by the sound of it, decided it was ok to get of the coach and move around - jeez!
 
ZeroTheHero said:
I've been thinking about the 'should teams that cannot play their matches due to having coronavirus in their ranks forfeit the game' thing that's been trotted out a few times.

I *really* don't think that's a good idea. Why? Well because it encourages teams *not* to have their players tested and potentially to hide any signs of illness in their ranks - players will just be quietly dropped, be 'rested' for the next game, have a mild strain somewhere etc. So you'll get infected players involved in games, thus spreading the damn virus around even more.

That of course does not excuse Crewe, who *knew* they'd been in contact with the infection for hours in a team bus and just turned up anyway - that might well be worthy of punishment.
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I totally agree in principle. Last bit is key in this situation though. If we'd been told in good time and the game called off before they had arrived at our stadium, I think many would have actively applauded Crewe for taking the initiative so effectively.
 
Colin B said:
I agree with West Oxon U's, that is an excellent piece by Oxblogger.

Having now slept on it, while also doing a lot of reading up on the events of yesterday, so as not to make a knee jerk reaction, I'm still equally as astounded now as I was at the time, that Crewe travelled to the stadium knowing what they did. I'm still equally astounded and disgusted by the Dave Artell interview. I can't work out if he's stupid, belligerent, in denial, not a good interviewee, an unwilling front man, or a combination of the above? What comes out of his mouth over the coming days may tell us more, but my money is on stupid being at least one factor.

On the subject of stupid, I have read some unbelievably stupid "comments" from Crewe fans on social media regarding this incident. I know we all want to defend our own club, but you just cannot blindly defend the indefensible in the way that some of these morons have. Some of them even claiming Oxford are in the wrong and were afraid to play them. Too f*****g right we were afraid to play them, but not because they're some footballing superpower, but because we, quite correctly, do not want to expose our players and staff to the COVID that exists within their ranks! I'm now adding Crewe (who I couldn't give a toss about before yesterday) to the extensively long list of clubs that I dislike and take delight when they lose.

If there's any possible silver lining to come out of yesterday it's that I'm even more proud now of our club and the people running it. f**k me, I wish we could get back to normal though!!!
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One of the those Crewe fans who responded to your post on another forum, wrote this about it and clearly doesn't get it:

"Besides, only around 500 people under the age of 35 with no underlying health conditions have died from this disease. Get a grip."
 
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