Tiger and 'comparisons'?

Jem

Junior Member
#1
Hi all.

Following various posts/questions on this forum, I thought I’d add a few personal thoughts on Tiger and ‘comparisons’ that some have decided are in some way totally different or irrelevant from takeovers and potential takeovers in the recent past, whilst they've also taken the opportunity to regularly take a pop at OxVox.

'Glass houses and stones' are words that spring into my mind. The recent 'let's all now be friends' posts, simply don't wash with me just now. I've heard it all before.

An area of questioning that people quite rightly are keen to understand about Tiger is, are there any associates/partners that he is working with and might there be any other people directly involved in the actual takeover of OUFC?

Our understanding is that Tiger has embarked on this on his own and that there are not any other parties involved. This of course could change and Tiger has stated that he may bring in other directors and/or shareholders/sponsors to support him to further develop the club in due course. We are not aware who those people might be.

There has been particular talk on this forum about Taweesuk Srismund (Jack).

OxVox met Jack when we met with Tiger and Darryl at our meeting back in November. Jack was introduced as an advisor to Tiger and as someone who was assisting him with financial advice. It was stated that Jack was not involved in any proposed takeover. It is important to stress that a takeover had not been agreed at that time.

A couple of posters have labelled Jack as ‘a criminal and a money launderer’. These of course are very serious allegations and allegations that people should be extremely careful about making on a social media forum if they cannot factually substantiate them. We have communicated these allegations to Tiger for comment and in turn, we understand, he has passed them to Jack. Along with the source. We have not received a response as yet.

There has been constant criticism from a small number of posters about the level of scrutiny that OxVox have undertaken in regard to Tiger and his takeover of OUFC. Indeed it has been levelled by one poster that OxVox ‘facilitated’ the deal! This of course is ridiculous! Our aim was to learn and to try and build a relationship with a potential new owner. The purchase was of a private Ltd company, owned by Darryl Eales, to Tiger, and in no way was OxVox a facilitator! How on earth could we possibly be?!

In terms of ‘scrutiny’, this is never easy and we can ask lots of questions, but can’t force answers! No matter how much we might try!

A comparison has been made with the Portsmouth supporters trust. There is one very important difference here. They were the seller! They owned the club at the time!

However, please be assured that we are asking for clarification across a range of areas, as we did/would have done, on the past takeovers that have taken place, and also the takeovers that 'tried' to take place at our club.

Indeed, at the time Darryl took over, we actively worked to understand his background and motives. Equally we did the same with the other group that were trying to acquire the club from Ian Lenagan at that time.

It is of course correct to understand things ‘around’ the purchaser, as well as things about the purchaser themselves. For example, someone who performs PR for Bahrain (with its human rights issues) and also for the Cayman Islands government (with its ‘secret’ tax affairs), might, for some, be viewed as not necessarily the ‘right sort’ for our football club? Not particular issues for me personally, but as I say, for some, they might be.

One might also want to view the family members of a prospective purchaser in any assessment of their suitability to be an owner of our football club. ‘Allegations’ made, might make one wonder if they were suitable prospective custodians for our club, due to the links that family ties may bring. Again, things to consider, just as Tiger and his historic business associates should be questioned. It’s nothing new, or indeed unusual.

We DO need to understand more and vigilance is of course required, but let’s not fall into the trap that what we have now is definitely bad, simply through association.

Sorry for the long post!

In time, I would like to also address some posters jibes about OxVox’s ‘independence’ and how different things are today in OxVox, versus the ‘good old days’ of 'openness and transparency' under previous ‘management’. But I’ll leave that for another day …….

Cheers!

Jem

COYY’S!
 

myles

Junior Member
#6
A very interesting post Jem. A couple of points I would pick out from this are as follows...

Our understanding is that Tiger has embarked on this on his own and that there are not any other parties involved. This of course could change and Tiger has stated that he may bring in other directors and/or shareholders/sponsors to support him to further develop the club in due course. We are not aware who those people might be.
This is, of course, a fundamental point and I'm surprised that you still believe this to be the case. It took me about half an hour on Wednesday to get the details of the organisation behind Tiger's bid, who the directors of that organisation are and what the shareholding is. Suffice to say, Tiger's name is not the only one which appears.

There has been particular talk on this forum about Taweesuk Srismund (Jack).

OxVox met Jack when we met with Tiger and Darryl at our meeting back in November. Jack was introduced as an advisor to Tiger and as someone who was assisting him with financial advice. It was stated that Jack was not involved in any proposed takeover. It is important to stress that a takeover had not been agreed at that time.

A couple of posters have labelled Jack as ‘a criminal and a money launderer’. These of course are very serious allegations and allegations that people should be extremely careful about making on a social media forum if they cannot factually substantiate them. We have communicated these allegations to Tiger for comment and in turn, we understand, he has passed them to Jack. Along with the source. We have not received a response as yet.
Not sure who made those allegations, but I know it wasn't me. I did however point out "Jack"'s links to Pairoj, Mr BIG, and Shinawatra, and their tangled web of companies. Did OxVox look into these links in any depth? Or did you, and by "you" I mean OxVox, simply point Tiger and Jack to this forum and ask for comment? As mentioned above, it doesn't take long to investigate such issues.

There has been constant criticism from a small number of posters about the level of scrutiny that OxVox have undertaken in regard to Tiger and his takeover of OUFC. Indeed it has been levelled by one poster that OxVox ‘facilitated’ the deal! This of course is ridiculous! Our aim was to learn and to try and build a relationship with a potential new owner. The purchase was of a private Ltd company, owned by Darryl Eales, to Tiger, and in no way was OxVox a facilitator! How on earth could we possibly be?!
In the absence of any evidence of such scrutiny, is it surprising that concern is raised? There has been no public comment from OxVox on the shenanigans at Reading, no comment on the involvement (however supposedly remote) of "Jack", no comment on Tiger not actually outlining what his plans for the club are. Now, in terms of "facilitating" the deal, you are of course right; this is a deal between two parties and they of course have the final say. But, as I said on here yesterday, when one of those parties is rocking up seemingly with more than the usual amount of baggage, surely it's essential for a supporters' trust to convey the message "We will be watching you..." and start with those difficult questions?

In terms of ‘scrutiny’, this is never easy and we can ask lots of questions, but can’t force answers! No matter how much we might try!
Indeed so. But why not be upfront in saying you haven't been given those answers? Why did the OxVox press release not say something along the lines of "We have had a meeting with Tiger and "Jack", and followed that up with further correspondence. Unfortunately, they haven't as yet spelled out to us what their plans are, but we hope that they will make this clear to supporters as soon as possible". Something as simple as that lets all parties know what the position truly is.

We DO need to understand more and vigilance is of course required, but let’s not fall into the trap that what we have now is definitely bad, simply through association.
Again, this is correct. But it also underlines the need for a supporters' trust to demonstrably be asking the difficult questions as early as possible.[/QUOTE]
 
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Ox4Eva

Active member
#7
Despite feeling edgy over the takeover, I am not ready to judge Tiger and will wait and see what he does in the coming months, as they actions speak louder than words...

One thing I do wonder about is what form of due diligence took place. In my job we deal with prospective business partners all the time and as part of our due diligence we run background checks and financial checks against these companies. But one of the first things we expect whether it's a largeor small organisation is a business plan. This outlines their short, medium and long term plans etc, I would like to know if Tiger had one of these?

From the news conference it came across like he never as he would have literally been using bullet points from that to explain his plans.

There had to have been some thorough due diligence I hope!
 
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uptheus

Active member
#8
Despite feeling edgy over the takeover, I am not ready to judge Tiger and will wait and see what he does in the coming months, as they actions speak louder that words...

One thing I do wonder about is what form of due diligence took place. In my job we deal with prospective business partners all the time and as part of our due diligence we run background checks and financial checks against these companies. But one of the first things we expect whether it's a largeor small organisation is a business plan. This outlines their short, medium and long term plans etc, I would like to know if Tiger had one of these?

From the news conference it came across like he never as he would have literally been using bullet points from that to explain his plans.

There had to have been some thorough due diligence I hope!
Agree, so I guess we’ll find out in time which makes you wonder what Darryl saw in Tiger.

Again, I guess Darryl did checks on Tiger from a due diligence and strategy going forward perspective.
 

yellowbow

Well-known member
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#11
Agree, so I guess we’ll find out in time which makes you wonder what Darryl saw in Tiger.

Again, I guess Darryl did checks on Tiger from a due diligence and strategy going forward perspective.
We also have to assume that the football league did it’s own ‘fit and proper person’ checks. Did I read somewhere that it was members of the football league board who actually introduced Tiger to Darryl? If that was the case one would assume/hope they would have been extra diligent. Football associations would never be anything else than whiter than white would they....?
 
#12
A very interesting post Jem. A couple of points I would pick out from this are as follows...



This is, of course, a fundamental point and I'm surprised that you still believe this to be the case. It took me about half an hour on Wednesday to get the details of the organisation behind Tiger's bid, who the directors of that organisation are and what the shareholding is. Suffice to say, Tiger's name is not the only one which appears.



Not sure who made those allegations, but I know it wasn't me. I did however point out "Jack"'s links to Pairoj, Mr BIG, and Shinawatra, and their tangled web of companies. Did OxVox look into these links in any depth? Or did you, and by "you" I mean OxVox, simply point Tiger and Jack to this forum and ask for comment? As mentioned above, it doesn't take long to investigate such issues.


In the absence of any evidence of such scrutiny, is it surprising that concern is raised? There has been no public comment from OxVox on the shenanigans at Reading, no comment on the involvement (however supposedly remote) of "Jack", no comment on Tiger not actually outlining what his plans for the club are. Now, in terms of "facilitating" the deal, you are of course right; this is a deal between two parties and they of course have the final say. But, as I said on here yesterday, when one of those parties is rocking up seemingly with more than the usual amount of baggage, surely it's essential for a supporters' trust to convey the message "We will be watching you..." and start with those difficult questions?


Indeed so. But why not be upfront in saying you haven't been given those answers? Why did the OxVox press release not say something along the lines of "We have had a meeting with Tiger and "Jack", and followed that up with further correspondence. Unfortunately, they haven't as yet spelled out to us what their plans are, but we hope that they will make this clear to supporters as soon as possible". Something as simple as that lets all parties know what the position truly is.


Again, this is correct. But it also underlines the need for a supporters' trust to demonstrably be asking the difficult questions as early as possible.
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Myles, would you care to expand on the details you have unearthed of the organisation behind Tiger's bid ?
 
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Myles, would you care to expand on the details you have unearthed of the organisation behind Tiger's bid ?[/QUOTE]
If it took only 30 mins to find, I don't think they are the most supposed clandestine group out there, not saying that's right or wrong either way.
 
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Sarge

Well-known member
2018-19 shirt sponsor for Jamie Hanson
#17
A very interesting post Jem. A couple of points I would pick out from this are as follows...



This is, of course, a fundamental point and I'm surprised that you still believe this to be the case. It took me about half an hour on Wednesday to get the details of the organisation behind Tiger's bid, who the directors of that organisation are and what the shareholding is. Suffice to say, Tiger's name is not the only one which appears.



Not sure who made those allegations, but I know it wasn't me. I did however point out "Jack"'s links to Pairoj, Mr BIG, and Shinawatra, and their tangled web of companies. Did OxVox look into these links in any depth? Or did you, and by "you" I mean OxVox, simply point Tiger and Jack to this forum and ask for comment? As mentioned above, it doesn't take long to investigate such issues.


In the absence of any evidence of such scrutiny, is it surprising that concern is raised? There has been no public comment from OxVox on the shenanigans at Reading, no comment on the involvement (however supposedly remote) of "Jack", no comment on Tiger not actually outlining what his plans for the club are. Now, in terms of "facilitating" the deal, you are of course right; this is a deal between two parties and they of course have the final say. But, as I said on here yesterday, when one of those parties is rocking up seemingly with more than the usual amount of baggage, surely it's essential for a supporters' trust to convey the message "We will be watching you..." and start with those difficult questions?


Indeed so. But why not be upfront in saying you haven't been given those answers? Why did the OxVox press release not say something along the lines of "We have had a meeting with Tiger and "Jack", and followed that up with further correspondence. Unfortunately, they haven't as yet spelled out to us what their plans are, but we hope that they will make this clear to supporters as soon as possible". Something as simple as that lets all parties know what the position truly is.


Again, this is correct. But it also underlines the need for a supporters' trust to demonstrably be asking the difficult questions as early as possible.
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what?.... 'Jack' was involved with 70s Oxford Band? Blimey! .......
 

T’ai Chi

Active member
#19
At the end of the day we have a new owner of our club and we need to look forward and hope DE has sold to Tiger for the right reasons. Personally I would have liked to think that members of the trust would have not been kept in the dark for so long, especially when Myles has indicated that not all would seem right with this takeover. Remember the trust has 1000 members, but there are around 6000 supporters who go to the games. Therefore 5000 supporters would hope that DE (who is really the only important person in this ) has sold for the right reasons after telling us for months he was not looking to sell but for additional investment.

The dig at Dragon Associates and their PR work is a little confusing and has no relevance to this takeover or am I missing something?
 

T’ai Chi

Active member
#20
I think the relevance is every takeover will have something in their past or present that fans should worry about. Be that Charlie’s associates, Darryls in Mark Ashton’s history and tigers now. And that they all might not have any relevance not unjust the current ownera
Mark Ashton proved the critics wrong and is now the CEO of a top Championship side. Let’s hope we are in a position to say the same in 3 years about Tiger and his board of directors. Still don’t see the relevance to OUFC and Dragon Associates PR work. Please enlighten if you are able to.
 
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