National News Sir Keir Starmer

[Marston Road yellow]

Disagree. It will keep getting worse for old flip flop.

Boris boris he’s our man if he can’t do it lizzy (no?) Richie can……. ( until we can get rid of him…)

3 different PMs in one parliament and you have the gall to call the opposition flip flops ….… Tories are more like a sad old bellyflop.

 

[PottersRightBoot]

Boris boris he’s our man if he can’t do it lizzy (no?) Richie can……. ( until we can get rid of him…)

3 different PMs in one parliament and you have the gall to call the opposition flip flops ….… Tories are more like a sad old bellyflop.

The thread is about Starmer though.

He’s getting found out.

 

[Sheik djibouti]

The thread is about Starmer though.

He’s getting found out.

I mean, we could ask the mods to move it to the relevant thread (if you'd be so good as to guide us on which you think it should be) if it offends your sensibilities, but some might say who Starmer beats in the general election and their abjectly poor performance as a government is relevant to the thread about him

I wonder what the current split is in the Tory faithful between delusion and disillusion

 

[Marston Road yellow]

The thread is about Starmer though.

He’s getting found out.

He’s getting found out for what?
Lying in parliament?
not stopping the boats?
Not building hospitals?

It really is rich when someone defends the tories by saying Starmer is being found out.

Would be good if you gave a list of the last manifesto promises that the tories made good on.

Here’s a starting point so you can see what was promised……. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50524262.amp

 

[PottersRightBoot]

I’m not defending the Tories here.

The thread is about Starmer.

 

[Marston Road yellow]

I’m not defending the Tories here.

The thread is about Starmer.

So I’ll ask again.
How is SKS being found out?

 

[Grumpy Git]

Losing Kingswood and Wellingborough and the Conservatives still try and tell us they can win the next election!
The voters have spoken again. In the 12 bye elections since the 2019 election the Conservatives have held 1. Lib Dems took 1, Labour 10.

 

[Sheik djibouti]

Losing Kingswood and Wellingborough and the Conservatives still try and tell us they can win the next election!
The voters have spoken again. In the 12 bye elections since the 2019 election the Conservatives have held 1. Lib Dems took 1, Labour 10.

They certainly are bye elections where the Tories are concerned.

 

[SteMerritt]

Losing Kingswood and Wellingborough and the Conservatives still try and tell us they can win the next election!
The voters have spoken again. In the 12 bye elections since the 2019 election the Conservatives have held 1. Lib Dems took 1, Labour 10.

Winning bye elections is one thing though, how many of those that were won by Labour/Lib Dems were held at the next general election? It is much easier to do a protest vote against the government when you know the MP will only be sitting for 6 months...

 

[Essexyellows]

Statistics soon change the underlying tone.........especially compared to a GE.

Labour have lost 5,316 votes in the Kingswood by-election since 2019. GE turnout 71%. By election 37%

Labour have only gained 107 votes since 2019 in Wellingborough. 64% GE turnout. By election 38%

A net loss of 5,209 Labour votes since 2019 is handily a ringing endorsement of Starmer’s Labour Party.

Seems a lot of folk stayed at home, which is a fair summary of politics at this moment in time.

As for "Rishi`s Recession" what short memories folk have...... its part of a global economic downturn as a result of most of the world baling folk out during Covid and the war in Ukraine. Nothing exists in a vacuum.

Albeit the "local" issues haven`t helped much.

 

[Sheik djibouti]

Statistics soon change the underlying tone.........especially compared to a GE.

Labour have lost 5,316 votes in the Kingswood by-election since 2019. GE turnout 71%. By election 37%

Labour have only gained 107 votes since 2019 in Wellingborough. 64% GE turnout. By election 38%

A net loss of 5,209 Labour votes since 2019 is handily a ringing endorsement of Starmer’s Labour Party.

Seems a lot of folk stayed at home, which is a fair summary of politics at this moment in time.

As for "Rishi`s Recession" what short memories folk have...... its part of a global economic downturn as a result of most of the world baling folk out during Covid and the war in Ukraine. Nothing exists in a vacuum.

Albeit the "local" issues haven`t helped much.

You lost, get over it

 

[SteMerritt]

Statistics soon change the underlying tone.........especially compared to a GE.

Labour have lost 5,316 votes in the Kingswood by-election since 2019. GE turnout 71%. By election 37%

Labour have only gained 107 votes since 2019 in Wellingborough. 64% GE turnout. By election 38%

A net loss of 5,209 Labour votes since 2019 is handily a ringing endorsement of Starmer’s Labour Party.

Seems a lot of folk stayed at home, which is a fair summary of politics at this moment in time.

As for "Rishi`s Recession" what short memories folk have...... its part of a global economic downturn as a result of most of the world baling folk out during Covid and the war in Ukraine. Nothing exists in a vacuum.

Albeit the "local" issues haven`t helped much.

And here ends the party political broadcast for the Conservative Party.

 

[Orkney Islands Yellow]

Losing Kingswood and Wellingborough and the Conservatives still try and tell us they can win the next election!
The voters have spoken again. In the 12 bye elections since the 2019 election the Conservatives have held 1. Lib Dems took 1, Labour 10.

Vive la revolution!

 

[QR]

Statistics soon change the underlying tone.........especially compared to a GE.

Labour have lost 5,316 votes in the Kingswood by-election since 2019. GE turnout 71%. By election 37%

Labour have only gained 107 votes since 2019 in Wellingborough. 64% GE turnout. By election 38%

A net loss of 5,209 Labour votes since 2019 is handily a ringing endorsement of Starmer’s Labour Party.

Seems a lot of folk stayed at home, which is a fair summary of politics at this moment in time.

As for "Rishi`s Recession" what short memories folk have...... its part of a global economic downturn as a result of most of the world baling folk out during Covid and the war in Ukraine. Nothing exists in a vacuum.

Albeit the "local" issues haven`t helped much.

You know I think you might be onto something!! Maybe people haven't noticed...

14 years of rising NHS Waiting lists
Dentist deserts
Exponential rise in the number of foodbanks
Polluted rivers
Pot holes
Partygate
COVID contract for cronies
Crumbling schools
Homelessness
14 years stagnant economy (not just post COVID)

 

[Wallop]

The Tories must be very worried about the Reform Party share of the two votes, 13% and 10%, pretty much all of which would come from their previous voters. Reform are putting candidates up in every seat for the GE iirc. It’s the perfect storm for Conservatives, deeply unpopular, a seemingly credible if rather dull opposition, and losing c.10% of your vote share to the party representing the extreme gammon element of their party.

 

[SteMerritt]

The Tories must be very worried about the Reform Party share of the two votes, 13% and 10%, pretty much all of which would come from their previous voters. Reform are putting candidates up in every seat for the GE iirc. It’s the perfect storm for Conservatives, deeply unpopular, a seemingly credible if rather dull opposition, and losing c.10% of your vote share to the party representing the extreme gammon element of their party.

Once again I'd be wary of these figures. It is very easy to make a protest vote in a bye election when the MP will only sit for 6 months. How many of these voters will go for Reform on GE day? There is also the turnouts, if Essex's figures are accurate then it was very low which once again could be seen as a form of protest which may not hold for a General Election.

A lot of things to consider at Tory HQ for sure.

 

[Sheik djibouti]

Once again I'd be wary of these figures. It is very easy to make a protest vote in a bye election when the MP will only sit for 6 months. How many of these voters will go for Reform on GE day? There is also the turnouts, if Essex's figures are accurate then it was very low which once again could be seen as a form of protest which may not hold for a General Election.

A lot of things to consider at Tory HQ for sure.

35% isn't that unusual in a BE.

I just wonder how the Tories are going to.miraculously turn themselves into an electable proposition in the next 6 months, with or without Rishi at the helm.

What is very clear (and Question Time is a prime example of this in the way the mood of the audience has markedly changed in the last 2 or so years) is that people have had enough of the Tories and what they've done and they way they've behaved for the last 14 years, and they want change.

The fact that the Tory party and wider movement is seemingly incapable of contrition for any of this only serves to seal their fate further.

It will hardly matter what the opposition parties do, simply not being Tories is likely to be enough.

 

[Marston Road yellow]

I recon there will be an announcement in March, with a May GE.

Whist @Essexyellows has his Tory tinted glasses on he does have a point about turnout, and this being a bye election.

 

[Marked Ox]

You know I think you might be onto something!! Maybe people haven't noticed
14 years of rising NHS Waiting lists
Dentist deserts
Exponential rise in the number of foodbanks
Polluted rivers
Pot holes
Partygate
COVID contract for cronies
Crumbling schools
Homelessness
14 years stagnant economy (not just post COVID)

We didn't start the fire, it was always burning, since the world's been turning....

 

[QR]

We didn't start the fire, it was always burning, since the world's been turning....