Potential New Ground

[LondonRoader]

So you don't understand then?

Please enlighten all of us on your view of how FFP and capital investment will work in our case, I’m sure you are desperate to paint a really positive picture how it will make OUFC a viable entity and give us a long term future.

I’m sure your “contact” in the club is in a position to give you a full briefing.

 

[Scotchegg]

Please enlighten all of us on your view of how FFP and capital investment will work in our case, I’m sure you are desperate to paint a really positive picture how it will make OUFC a viable entity and give us a long term future.

I’m sure your “contact” in the club is in a position to give you a full briefing.

League 1 clubs can only spend 60% of their turnover on wages. Turnover is made up from matchday income, commercial income (sponsorship), tv rights and profit on player sales.

So players sales enable us to operate within FFP when other income sources are limited. This is all part of being sustainable.

Capital Investment in infrastructure, stadium, training ground etc, all come outside of FFP rules. Our board members have personal wealth way beyond the figures being spoken of for a new build. They can "invest" in this project and will see a decent return if you include all additional income sources that go with a new build.

Operating costs and stadium builds are two entirely different budgets. We could have a billion in the bank and still need to sell in order to invest money back into the playing squad.

You don't need a source at the club to explain this, it's really very simple.

 

[Neville60]

League 1 clubs can only spend 60% of their turnover on wages. Turnover is made up from matchday income, commercial income (sponsorship), tv rights and profit on player sales.

So players sales enable us to operate within FFP when other income sources are limited. This is all part of being sustainable.

Capital Investment in infrastructure, stadium, training ground etc, all come outside of FFP rules. Our board members have personal wealth way beyond the figures being spoken of for a new build. They can "invest" in this project and will see a decent return if you include all additional income sources that go with a new build.

Operating costs and stadium builds are two entirely different budgets. We could have a billion in the bank and still need to sell in order to invest money back into the playing squad.

You don't need a source at the club to explain this, it's really very simple.

From this IMO, I see investment in a New Stadium, Hotel, Motel, Retail Outlets, Office Spaces, Education Facilities, Entertainment Facilities (Cinema, Theatre, Children's Park and Games Facilities) and if allowable a Casino, all of these facilities are income investments, they will cater for a wide range of people's Leisure, Education, Retail, and Business needs. The income from the office spaces alone (Fleetwood?) would help us significantly.

But we will see what happens or is going to happen before the lease runs out I'm sure.

 

[Junior_1]

Please enlighten all of us on your view of how FFP and capital investment will work in our case, I’m sure you are desperate to paint a really positive picture how it will make OUFC a viable entity and give us a long term future.

I’m sure your “contact” in the club is in a position to give you a full briefing.

Or maybe his neighbour can ask for him..

 

[LondonRoader]

League 1 clubs can only spend 60% of their turnover on wages. Turnover is made up from matchday income, commercial income (sponsorship), tv rights and profit on player sales.

So players sales enable us to operate within FFP when other income sources are limited. This is all part of being sustainable.
We could have a billion in the bank and still need to sell in order to invest money back into the playing squad.

Does that explain selling two players in the Jan transfer window and Zaki's comments about operational costs?

 

[werthersoriginal]

Does that explain selling two players in the Jan transfer window and Zaki's comments about operational costs?

I’m not sure why you find it hard to understand. We spend more than we earn so sometimes need to get extra money by eg selling players. Your aggressively negative attitude is tedious : I suggest this threat be closed until there is some news.

 

[Scotchegg]

Does that explain selling two players in the Jan transfer window and Zaki's comments about operational costs?

I don't have the quotes but I believe Zaki spoke about operating losses of approx. £3m and whilst these had been budgeted for, the sales would help offset this.

But lets just say that Tiger, Zaki and co. were happy covering all operating losses, afterall, £3m a year is not a lot when looking at their collective wealth. We still wouldn't be able to spend big on the squad because of FFP. We have to be able to generate our own income.

There is the push for more fans through the gates, we have seen one-off sponsorship deals ahead of Newcastle, the electronic boards for Newcastle and Man City, a bigger drive for commercial links etc. But there will always be a limit on what we can achieve with our stadium situation. So we then need to consider player sales to enable us to reinvest back in the squad.

We can all disagree with the intentions of the board, their management of the January window, Stadium plans etc, but the basic financial structure of the club is fairly straight forward.

 

[LondonRoader]

I’m not sure why you find it hard to understand. We spend more than we earn so sometimes need to get extra money by eg selling players. Your aggressively negative attitude is tedious : I suggest this threat be closed until there is some news.

Just use the ignore button, it is a open forum for all views.

 

[Paul Cannell]

Groups of bald people debating heatedly the respective merits of a comb versus a hairbrush.

 

[Yellows1]

Sorry have I missed something? Is there potential of new investors ref buying land and building a stadium???

 

[Golden Dr Otto]

I’m sure your “contact” in the club is in a position to give you a full briefing.

Interestingly he kind of is but kind of isn’t. Certainly a very good source though .

 

[Yellows1]

Interesting if true, but hardly surprising.

In reality the club have 4 options open to them.

1. Re-new 25 year lease with or without alterations to lease conditions.
2. Identify site, obtain planning permission & build new stadium.
3. Buy current stadium with or without adjoining land.
4. Run down current lease and ground share with WWFC/MKD.

Option 4 would be a slow death for the club. Must never be allowed to happen.
Option 3 If you are correct, not going to happen. Kassam also refused to sell to Eales, so hardly surprising.

That leaves options 1 & 2.

Option 2 the most desirable.
Option 1 the most likely.

Option 1 is NOT an option, why is this even being discussed???

 

[beyondthefourth]

Option 1 is NOT an option, why is this even being discussed???

It's not the option anyone wants, however it is the default if everything else falls through. Therefore it has to be put down as one of the avenues, albeit worst case scenario.

 

[Yellows1]

Groups of bald people debating heatedly the respective merits of a comb versus a hairbrush.

Strange comments you come up with, totally random to say the least

 

[Yellows1]

It's not the option anyone wants, however it is the default if everything else falls through. Therefore it has to be put down as one of the avenues, albeit worst case scenario.

Is isn’t an option though, it isn’t sub stainable, I think we would ground share rather than take this route imho and rightly so, worst case scenario.

 

[holdsteady]

Is isn’t an option though, it isn’t sub stainable, I think we would ground share rather than take this route imho and rightly so, worst case scenario.

I would rather stay at the Kassam than move to an indefinite ground share in Wycombe or Milton Keynes, thats much more likely to kill us off than staying as we are.

 

[arthurturner]

I would rather stay at the Kassam than move to an indefinite ground share in Wycombe or Milton Keynes, thats much more likely to kill us off than staying as we are.

You clearly haven't read the current Licence Agreement. FK would need to agree a completely new long term agreement giving the club full control of the stadium; revenue and car parks and at a competitive rent. It would take a change of heart on FK's part equal to St Paul's conversion on the road to Damascus for that to happen. Even then it might not be viable without other revenue streams beyond the stadium itself. The current licence expires exactly 6 years to the day from when we play Wycombe in 3 weeks time. If all we have then is the option to renew for another 20 years on the same terms then I would suggest that a ground share would be the least worse option.

 

[holdsteady]

You clearly haven't read the current Licence Agreement. FK would need to agree a completely new long term agreement giving the club full control of the stadium; revenue and car parks and at a competitive rent. It would take a change of heart on FK's part equal to St Paul's conversion on the road to Damascus for that to happen. Even then it might not be viable without other revenue streams beyond the stadium itself. The current licence expires exactly 6 years to the day from when we play Wycombe in 3 weeks time. If all we have then is the option to renew for another 20 years on the same terms then I would suggest that a ground share would be the least worse option.

How is paying to rent a ground miles away better than paying to rent a ground in Oxford? We gain nothing and lose thousands of fans and god knows how many potential new ones, it would be the end of the club.

 

[Blox21]

How is paying to rent a ground miles away better than paying to rent a ground in Oxford? We gain nothing and lose thousands of fans and god knows how many potential new ones, it would be the end of the club.

We would lose fans , we would lose potential fans , we would gain a few fans who can’t stand playing at the kassam . It would NOT be the end of the club though , Coventry city ain’t doing to bad

 

[Marked Ox]

We would lose fans , we would lose potential fans , we would gain a few fans who can’t stand playing at the kassam . It would NOT be the end of the club though , Coventry city ain’t doing to bad

Coventry will lose far more £ms this season than they did last season.