Fazackerley and Allen - end of a journey?

[Mellowyellow]

Having sat there today, and although we had periods of possession, we still lost 3-0, making the same old mistakes as we were doing during the clotet and fazackerley era's. Defensively, set pieces, poor up front, and so on.

It's the start of a new journey, and I think Robinson will have seen what needs doing, and more importantly what needs changing. Robinson needs to bring in his own two people he mentioned as soon as possible, and say thanks and goodbye to both faz and allen. The extremely poor set of results during their tenure, and during clotets tenure showed that they bring limited value to what Robinson wants to achieve.

It was so refreshing to see an active manager, showing passion on the touchline today, compared to previous weeks when little was evident. Faz seemed to be a statue, whilst Allen thought he was a sub, such was the little time he was seen off the bench.

Hopefully by Friday, Robinson can do something with what he's got to work with to get us over the line. Today, the old mistakes were made.

 

[m]

YAWN

 

[The Hawk]

If it is correct that Faz and other backroom staff were in de’s ear about pep then if I was Robinson I’d want shot pretty quickly

Faz puzzles me. He’s vastly experienced. He should know everything there is to know about the game. But how this team has been so badly organised defensively under him suggests otherwise

 

[Foley]

If it is correct that Faz and other backroom staff were in de’s ear about pep then if I was Robinson I’d want shot pretty quickly

Faz puzzles me. He’s vastly experienced. He should know everything there is to know about the game. But how this team has been so badly organised defensively under him suggests otherwise

Yes I agree with that.
Faz has apparently been in charge of the defensive organisation this season.
We have been shocking defensively game after game (and having seen Plymouth, Peterborough and Pompey recently if we had a half decent defence ...)
The first thing Robinson needs to work on is stopping us conceding ridiculously stupid goals. If he can do that it will be one hell of a start.

 

[Navegante]

I remember Faz getting slated at the beginning of Mapp's reign. As things improved and peaked under the tatted one, Faz's contribution was never really recognised IMO. Seems that when things are not going well, nobody is safe from the firing line even though they have, in all likelihood, been performing their jobs at a consistent level through good and bad times.

 

[Mellowyellow]

I remember Faz getting slated at the beginning of Mapp's reign. As things improved and peaked under the tatted one, Faz's contribution was never really recognised IMO. Seems that when things are not going well, nobody is safe from the firing line even though they have, in all likelihood, been performing their jobs at a consistent level through good and bad times.

Good point, but do we know what his contribution was meant have been. Basically, defending coaching.

Do you think that Faz has been performing at a consistently good or bad level, since clotet arrived, then under his own stewardship? The results seem to point to the latter.

 

[Oxford84]

Having sat there today, and although we had periods of possession, we still lost 3-0, making the same old mistakes as we were doing during the clotet and fazackerley era's. Defensively, set pieces, poor up front, and so on.

It's the start of a new journey, and I think Robinson will have seen what needs doing, and more importantly what needs changing. Robinson needs to bring in his own two people he mentioned as soon as possible, and say thanks and goodbye to both faz and allen. The extremely poor set of results during their tenure, and during clotets tenure showed that they bring limited value to what Robinson wants to achieve.

It was so refreshing to see an active manager, showing passion on the touchline today, compared to previous weeks when little was evident. Faz seemed to be a statue, whilst Allen thought he was a sub, such was the little time he was seen off the bench.

Hopefully by Friday, Robinson can do something with what he's got to work with to get us over the line. Today, the old mistakes were made.

So we will forget about the jobs they did under Appleton then?

 

[Whingit]

It's a personnel issue, in defence, rather than a coaching issue. Plenty of defenders have come on leaps and bounds during Faz's time here.

 

[The Deadman]

There is an age old saying "you can't polish a turd"... After the injury to Curtis Nelson, the defence has disintegrated and shown that it is not good enough. We're currently playing the "best" available, of which only one should be here next season (Dickie).

In Rob Dickie, we have a player with a huge amount of potential and who could prosper with Nelson beside him (needs to get a bit tougher). Of the two loanees at full-back, does Smith-Brown really offer more than da Silva? He looks lightweight, hesitant and gets caught out of position far too easily (he went AWOL for Pompey's second goal). Kane is slightly more solid, but looks nothing more than a decent back up in case of injury. Mousinho was once a good player, but age appears to have caught up with him.

Priority #1 next season is to completely rebuild the defence and hope that Nelson doesn't jump ship in the summer and comes back stronger.

 

[Deleted member 462]

There is an age old saying "you can't polish a turd"... After the injury to Curtis Nelson, the defence has disintegrated and shown that it is not good enough. We're currently playing the "best" available, of which only one should be here next season (Dickie).

In Rob Dickie, we have a player with a huge amount of potential and who could prosper with Nelson beside him (needs to get a bit tougher). Of the two loanees at full-back, does Smith-Brown really offer more than da Silva? He looks lightweight, hesitant and gets caught out of position far too easily (he went AWOL for Pompey's second goal). Kane is slightly more solid, but looks nothing more than a decent back up in case of injury. Mousinho was once a good player, but age appears to have caught up with him.

Priority #1 next season is to completely rebuild the defence and hope that Nelson doesn't jump ship in the summer and comes back stronger.

If it’s true that we’ve signed jordan moore taylor on a pre contract then him and Nelson would be a very very strong pairing. Add dickie and raglan as back up and let martin and mous go. See if we can sign Kane. Carroll as understudy. Then we just need two left backs imo to have a very decent defence

 

[Mellowyellow]

So we will forget about the jobs they did under Appleton then?

Do you know who was responsible for what coaching under Appleton, or did he do the majority himself?

 

[m]

Do you know who was responsible for what coaching under Appleton, or did he do the majority himself?

Well plainly you've decided that the coaching team did nothing under Appleton and everything under Pep. It's almost like you're establishing 'facts' to suit an agenda.

 

[m]

It was so refreshing to see an active manager, showing passion on the touchline today, compared to when Appleton was on the touchline.

Oh.

 

[Corporate_Clive]

Having sat there today, and although we had periods of possession, we still lost 3-0, making the same old mistakes as we were doing during the clotet and fazackerley era's. Defensively, set pieces, poor up front, and so on.

It's the start of a new journey, and I think Robinson will have seen what needs doing, and more importantly what needs changing. Robinson needs to bring in his own two people he mentioned as soon as possible, and say thanks and goodbye to both faz and allen. The extremely poor set of results during their tenure, and during clotets tenure showed that they bring limited value to what Robinson wants to achieve.

It was so refreshing to see an active manager, showing passion on the touchline today, compared to previous weeks when little was evident. Faz seemed to be a statue, whilst Allen thought he was a sub, such was the little time he was seen off the bench.

Hopefully by Friday, Robinson can do something with what he's got to work with to get us over the line. Today, the old mistakes were made.

I agree but KR cant change the personal. I have been concerned about Mous all season. I rate him as a sweeper/defensive midfielder role. He is no Matt Elliot.

 

[Corporate_Clive]

If it is correct that Faz and other backroom staff were in de’s ear about pep then if I was Robinson I’d want shot pretty quickly

Faz puzzles me. He’s vastly experienced. He should know everything there is to know about the game. But how this team has been so badly organised defensively under him suggests otherwise

I feel the team was organised under him, esp when he was caretaker. Losing Nelson and poor summer recruitment from DE resulted in disjointed defensive team. I blame Pep and DE, not Faz.

 

[Mellowyellow]

I feel the team was organised under him, esp when he was caretaker. Losing Nelson and poor summer recruitment from DE resulted in disjointed defensive team. I blame Pep and DE, not Faz.

But it’s all about a manager being able to manage what he has to best effect. In terms of the team being better organised. We were 10th when clotet left, now we find ourselves in a relegation battle, after faz had a record of 2 wins in 9, or similar.

 

[m]

But it’s all about a manager being able to manage what he has to best effect. In terms of the team being better organised. We were 10th when clotet left, now we find ourselves in a relegation battle, after faz had a record of 2 wins in 9, or similar.

No-one ever said Faz was a good manager.

 

[Mellowyellow]

It was so refreshing to see an active manager, showing passion on the touchline today, compared to when Appleton was on the touchline.

Oh.

Do you ever simply post on content rather than getting personal? Lucky for the ignore button.

 

[m]

Do you ever simply post on content rather than getting personal? Lucky for the ignore button.

Eh?


I thought I was providing contrary viewpoints, show me the point I made it personal and I'll provide a full apology.

 

[Corporate_Clive]

There is an age old saying "you can't polish a turd"... After the injury to Curtis Nelson, the defence has disintegrated and shown that it is not good enough. We're currently playing the "best" available, of which only one should be here next season (Dickie).

In Rob Dickie, we have a player with a huge amount of potential and who could prosper with Nelson beside him (needs to get a bit tougher). Of the two loanees at full-back, does Smith-Brown really offer more than da Silva? He looks lightweight, hesitant and gets caught out of position far too easily (he went AWOL for Pompey's second goal). Kane is slightly more solid, but looks nothing more than a decent back up in case of injury. Mousinho was once a good player, but age appears to have caught up with him.

Priority #1 next season is to completely rebuild the defence and hope that Nelson doesn't jump ship in the summer and comes back stronger.

I completely agree Sir. I want to see CC giving a starting spot as right full back and an experienced left full back brought in. I am confident Nelson and Dickie will make a strong CB pairing.

 

[Corporate_Clive]

If it’s true that we’ve signed jordan moore taylor on a pre contract then him and Nelson would be a very very strong pairing. Add dickie and raglan as back up and let martin and mous go. See if we can sign Kane. Carroll as understudy. Then we just need two left backs imo to have a very decent defence

I am interested to know how you know about Moore-Taylor. I'd like to know if this is fact?

 

[Deleted member 462]

If it’s true that we’ve signed jordan moore taylor on a pre contract then him and Nelson would be a very very strong pairing. Add dickie and raglan as back up and let martin and mous go. See if we can sign Kane. Carroll as understudy. Then we just need two left backs imo to have a very decent defence

I am interested to know how you know about Moore-Taylor. I'd like to know if this is fact?

Nothing’s ever fact until it happens. It’s on another thread somewhere, a lot of Exeter’s fans were talking about it. As I said in the post “if true” would be a great signing.

 

[Jackinthebox]

Nothing’s ever fact until it happens. It’s on another thread somewhere, a lot of Exeter’s fans were talking about it. As I said in the post “if true” would be a great signing.

I agree, particularly as Moore-Taylor is left-footed.

 

[Marked Ox]

But it’s all about a manager being able to manage what he has to best effect. In terms of the team being better organised. We were 10th when clotet left, now we find ourselves in a relegation battle, after faz had a record of 2 wins in 9, or similar.

We were in the relegation battle under Pep, the others just hadn't caught up at that point. We were bloody awful performance wise and the form was shockingly bad for a fair bit of the end of Pep's reign.

 

[Ian]

Like many here, I also do not think the defensive issues are due to coaching, or even bad players. The defence lacks height and the power of someone like Nelson. There is also the issue at the other end, there's a lack of goal threat from the forwards, enabling other teams to be more confident when attacking.

If you included Nelson, Roofe/Graham and Midson (or another prolific, energetic forward) in the team, then recent results probably would have been much better. Slightly different players to what's currently available.

 

[OUFCGav]

It's a personnel issue, in defence, rather than a coaching issue. Plenty of defenders have come on leaps and bounds during Faz's time here.

Well, it's also the Pep bit doing defensive organisation training if at least one of the players is to go by.

 

[The Mighty Aldo]

I liked what Robinson said at the end of the game about needing to get crosses in quicker and not having the extra pass and shooting more.

We have all seen that for most of the season and I'm sure Faz and Allen will have seen it

The question is have they told to get the ball in quicker and shoot or do they lack the confidence and give that responsibility to someone else?

 

[The Deadman]

But it’s all about a manager being able to manage what he has to best effect. In terms of the team being better organised. We were 10th when clotet left, now we find ourselves in a relegation battle, after faz had a record of 2 wins in 9, or similar.

We may have been 10th, but do you think we were going in any other direction than backwards? Our vulnerabilities and weaknesses had been exposed and nothing was being done about it. There are accounts of Pep not being interested in defensive organisation in training and very little attention paid to how the opposition might work set plays and attacks. The evidence on the pitch certainly backs that up.

On the whole we have looked slightly more solid since Pep's departure, but one thing you cannot account for is players repeatedly making the same mistakes once they are on the pitch. Lack of concentration and players switching off at set pieces has been an all-too familiar theme this season. You can coach and manage players and hopefully they will improve, but if they are just not good enough and unable to improve, then you have to look at the player and the person who recruited them. As mentioned, Mousinho was once a very good player, captaining a side in the Championship. Unfortunately, the one thing you can't prevent is aging and old father time has definitely caught up with him. There is a reason why Burton were prepared to let him go for free.

 

[Corporate_Clive]

We may have been 10th, but do you think we were going in any other direction than backwards? Our vulnerabilities and weaknesses had been exposed and nothing was being done about it. There are accounts of Pep not being interested in defensive organisation in training and very little attention paid to how the opposition might work set plays and attacks. The evidence on the pitch certainly backs that up.

On the whole we have looked slightly more solid since Pep's departure, but one thing you cannot account for is players repeatedly making the same mistakes once they are on the pitch. Lack of concentration and players switching off at set pieces has been an all-too familiar theme this season. You can coach and manage players and hopefully they will improve, but if they are just not good enough and unable to improve, then you have to look at the player and the person who recruited them. As mentioned, Mousinho was once a very good player, captaining a side in the Championship. Unfortunately, the one thing you can't prevent is aging and old father time has definitely caught up with him. There is a reason why Burton were prepared to let him go for free.

I feel its players not having to, or wanting to impress Faz and CA, as they dont determine their immediate futures, KR does.

 

[Mellowyellow]

We may have been 10th, but do you think we were going in any other direction than backwards? Our vulnerabilities and weaknesses had been exposed and nothing was being done about it. There are accounts of Pep not being interested in defensive organisation in training and very little attention paid to how the opposition might work set plays and attacks. The evidence on the pitch certainly backs that up.

On the whole we have looked slightly more solid since Pep's departure, but one thing you cannot account for is players repeatedly making the same mistakes once they are on the pitch. Lack of concentration and players switching off at set pieces has been an all-too familiar theme this season. You can coach and manage players and hopefully they will improve, but if they are just not good enough and unable to improve, then you have to look at the player and the person who recruited them. As mentioned, Mousinho was once a very good player, captaining a side in the Championship. Unfortunately, the one thing you can't prevent is aging and old father time has definitely caught up with him. There is a reason why Burton were prepared to let him go for free.

I fully agree going, we weren't going forwards, but we seemed to have been hovering around tenth for a while whilst being inconsistent, between getting a point/win and losing. Though given time, I agree it would have been a trip down the table had clotet been left in post, though I don't think it would have been as dramatic as it has been with faz in charge.