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Let's get it done then.The cost of sacking him is (comparatively) peanuts. Bakrie & Co have just submitted a planning application with a £100m+ price tag!
This isn’t on Des . This is a terrible process following Liam manning running out before he’d done a thing.
We lost a management team which we replaced with a manager.
If you don’t support an employee with the resources that the need and they fail is it your fault or theirs?
Moore is our best defender and Branigan is a Manc.You're a parody of a supporter; you're blown over by the mildest breeze.
This squad has 1 at best 2 League 1 defenders (Brown, Leigh), a bundle of mediocre wingers and is epitomised by a perpetually angry scouser in a midfield assembled by a blind goldfish.
I think the players have to take the majority of the blame today although Des is not convincing me in the slightest. It will be very expensive to sack him and not easy or cheap to source an alternative appointment to fit our aspirations. The thing that is not sitting well for me is when winning and not playing well i.e Reading and today v Orient, we just persist until the inevitable goal conceded happens. Alarm bells should have been ringing long before Orient scored their first he only changes things up when bad things happen aka we conceded an important goal. There's no doubt he can manage the team to victories as he has done against the likes of Wigan, Carlisle and Burton but these defeats and bad games overall are very concerning especially from a dynamic tactical standpoint.
I'd be very interested to see where we are in the form table since he arrived. We were fortunate to be 2nd under Manning I must admit but he certainly got the players playing and the results to boot.
I think the players have to take the majority of the blame today although Des is not convincing me in the slightest. It will be very expensive to sack him and not easy or cheap to source an alternative appointment to fit our aspirations. The thing that is not sitting well for me is when winning and not playing well i.e Reading and today v Orient, we just persist until the inevitable goal conceded happens. Alarm bells should have been ringing long before Orient scored their first he only changes things up when bad things happen aka we conceded an important goal. There's no doubt he can manage the team to victories as he has done against the likes of Wigan, Carlisle and Burton but these defeats and bad games overall are very concerning especially from a dynamic tactical standpoint.
I'd be very interested to see where we are in the form table since he arrived. We were fortunate to be 2nd under Manning I must admit but he certainly got the players playing and the results to boot.
I think the players have to take the majority of the blame today although Des is not convincing me in the slightest. It will be very expensive to sack him and not easy or cheap to source an alternative appointment to fit our aspirations. The thing that is not sitting well for me is when winning and not playing well i.e Reading and today v Orient, we just persist until the inevitable goal conceded happens. Alarm bells should have been ringing long before Orient scored their first he only changes things up when bad things happen aka we conceded an important goal. There's no doubt he can manage the team to victories as he has done against the likes of Wigan, Carlisle and Burton but these defeats and bad games overall are very concerning especially from a dynamic tactical standpoint.
I'd be very interested to see where we are in the form table since he arrived. We were fortunate to be 2nd under Manning I must admit but he certainly got the players playing and the results to boot.
League One Form (Last 6)I think the players have to take the majority of the blame today although Des is not convincing me in the slightest. It will be very expensive to sack him and not easy or cheap to source an alternative appointment to fit our aspirations. The thing that is not sitting well for me is when winning and not playing well i.e Reading and today v Orient, we just persist until the inevitable goal conceded happens. Alarm bells should have been ringing long before Orient scored their first he only changes things up when bad things happen aka we conceded an important goal. There's no doubt he can manage the team to victories as he has done against the likes of Wigan, Carlisle and Burton but these defeats and bad games overall are very concerning especially from a dynamic tactical standpoint.
I'd be very interested to see where we are in the form table since he arrived. We were fortunate to be 2nd under Manning I must admit but he certainly got the players playing and the results to boot.
Pos | Team | P | W | D | L | F | A | GD | Pts |
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1 | Portsmouth | 6 | 4 | 2 | 0 | 14 | 5 | +9 | 14 |
2 | Lincoln City | 6 | 4 | 2 | 0 | 7 | 2 | +5 | 14 |
3 | Derby | 6 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 9 | 4 | +5 | 13 |
4 | Leyton Orient | 6 | 4 | 0 | 2 | 12 | 10 | +2 | 12 |
5 | Barnsley | 6 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 9 | 7 | +2 | 11 |
6 | Cheltenham | 6 | 3 | 1 | 2 | 9 | 8 | +1 | 10 |
7 | Reading | 6 | 3 | 1 | 2 | 9 | 8 | +1 | 10 |
8 | Burton Albion | 6 | 3 | 1 | 2 | 6 | 5 | +1 | 10 |
9 | Bolton | 6 | 2 | 3 | 1 | 10 | 11 | -1 | 9 |
10 | Bristol Rovers | 6 | 3 | 0 | 3 | 8 | 10 | -2 | 9 |
11 | Wycombe | 6 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 11 | 8 | +3 | 8 |
12 | Fleetwood Town | 6 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 9 | 6 | +3 | 8 |
13 | Blackpool | 6 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 8 | 7 | +1 | 8 |
14 | Shrewsbury | 6 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 8 | 7 | +1 | 8 |
15 | Northampton | 6 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 12 | 12 | 0 | 8 |
16 | Oxford Utd | 6 | 1 | 4 | 1 | 9 | 8 | +1 | 7 |
17 | Stevenage | 6 | 2 | 1 | 3 | 6 | 7 | -1 | 7 |
18 | Wigan | 6 | 2 | 1 | 3 | 10 | 12 | -2 | 7 |
19 | Exeter | 6 | 2 | 1 | 3 | 5 | 8 | -3 | 7 |
20 | Cambridge Utd | 6 | 2 | 0 | 4 | 8 | 8 | 0 | 6 |
21 | Charlton | 6 | 0 | 4 | 2 | 5 | 8 | -3 | 4 |
22 | Peterborough | 6 | 1 | 1 | 4 | 7 | 12 | -5 | 4 |
23 | Port Vale | 6 | 0 | 1 | 5 | 4 | 13 | -9 | 1 |
24 | Carlisle | 6 | 0 | 0 | 6 | 5 | 16 | -11 | 0 |
What about Short ,and Fazakerley is also around for adviceI really do think he needs a proper assistant though. It's utterly bizarre that he hasn't got one
No chance our form Is relegation form ,5 wins ,5draws and 9 defeats look at the stats .Beele has been sacked at Sunderland after 12 games. We have missed out on some good managers .The big question is, do you still believe we’ll make the play offs?
I've said many times he's been done over by those above him, the lack of support he's had due to our boards incompetence is horrendous. Manning arrived mob handed with Hogg, Price and the coach who's name I've forgotten and was able to stamp his authority on things immediately. Des arrived on his own with little reputation in this country, it didn't bother me hugely but it did others and I don't think it's unrealistic that view would be mirrored in the players.This isn’t on Des . This is a terrible process following Liam manning running out before he’d done a thing.
We lost a management team which we replaced with a manager.
If you don’t support an employee with the resources that the need and they fail is it your fault or theirs?
I’m with you. Today is the first time I feel there’s genuine cause for worry.My original vote was that he should be given the summer to build a team. I am having major doubts about that now. He has got a lot of fairly decent players available now, but seems completely unable to weld them into a team or develop partnerships between players. Would allowing him to spend money on more/different players be sensible? At the moment I have my doubts.
Yep, he’s got a month for me so the next 4 or 5 games are pivotal.( 3 of the next 4 are away including Pompey!)I love the fact we have a given managers time to prove themselves.
However, I see zero improvement and zero identity on the pitch. Maybe it's as simple as the players don't warm to him but who cares.
The truth is we look lost. He's had many games to at least register his brand of football on the playing field but I see nothing. Absolutely zero.
Maybe, I give him three or five more games to either evidence some sort of plan / style or I fear the writing is on the wall...
Goodbye Des, I'm sorry it didn't work out.
The job description/environment being built there was designed for a manager like that. That is not the case here. It isn’t a one size fits all and certain managers are meant for certain clubs at certain times. By luck or judgement it was a perfect marriage with Manning, this has been a disaster.How much "EFL experience" did Kieran McKenna have?
Young successful coaches like McKenna and Mous (looking likely this season) usually have a club who have heavily invested into the staff above them, the whole structure of those clubs is head and shoulders bigger than OUFC. You don't need to be a big club, you just need to invest and have a rigid experience staffing structure in place above the manager. In that regard OUFC is still League 2 at the moment.The job description/environment being built there was designed for a manager like that. That is not the case here. It isn’t a one size fits all and certain managers are meant for certain clubs at certain times. By luck or judgement it was a perfect marriage with a Manning, this has been a disaster.
Tim Williams told everybody very early on that a DoF / Sporting Director is the same job as a Head of Recruitment, just with a different name. That says it all about both his knowledge and his intentions.Young successful coaches like McKenna and Mous usually have a club who have heavily invested into the staff above them, the whole structure of those clubs is head and shoulders bigger than OUFC. You don't need to be a big club, you just need to invest and have a rigid experience staffing structure in place above the manager. In that regard OUFC is still League 2 at the moment.
Des has come in, wasn't allowed the staff he wanted to work with and only has Tim the accountant above him. We still have Shorty and Faz around but it's hardly a setup ready to topple Derby, Pompey, Bolton, Posh or Barnsley any time soon.