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Bit of an epic, but an informative overview of what CV19 is and a few other facts too ... cut and pasted from elsewhere, (where it had already been cut and pasted)....
John Robb
1 hr ·
From Jayne Casey Facebook page...long read about the virus and where it comes from - bit more complex than making a guess about 5G or Wuhan labs.
''Scientific advancements in molecular dating suggest Coronaviruses are close to 290 million years old. As such, they have an extremely long and complex genome.
However, as they are so ancient, they are made not of DNA, but of RNA, which is a more primitive single stranded, genetic material. With a highly unstable membrane, this can easily be disturbed and killed, prior to hijacking our cells, that is. Imagine the sensitivity of a balloon; which is why heat, or the simple act of vigorous hand-washing and bleaching is so effective at destroying it.
Humans have dealt with Coronaviruses in the form of the common cold all of our lives. And more recently, and far more seriously, during the SARS & MERS outbreaks of 2003 and 2012.
Since these more deadly diseases presented, scientists have been warning public health officials and governments of the dangers of such a pandemic. Hence all of the sci-fi movies, books, apocalyptic drama series, featuring mutated Corona-respiratory viruses. Especially in Asia, where they are commonly found, and have caused such public health emergencies in the past.
Coronaviruses are split into 4 groups, 2 of which are found in birds, and 2 in bats.
Bats, like us, are mammals. They are also a natural reservoir of many viruses, as they have an extremely powerful immune system. This means they can host them without producing an inflammatory response and actually becoming sick themselves.
This is, however, worse for us, as when bats fly twice daily -some at speeds exceeding 90 miles per hour- their body temperature mimics that of a fever, and the viruses they host must mutate to withstand this.
Of course, fever is the human body’s way of attacking and killing pathogens, so if we become infected by a virus built to withstand this response, we are in trouble.
I keep seeing people talking about “eating bats”...
Here in Asia, bats are eaten commonly across many cultures. However, it is not ingesting the meat of a bat which caused this virus to enter a human. And no scientist ever said this. The simple act of cooking would kill a Coronavirus anyway.
No, in China, it is common practice to keep a wide variety of live wild animals, including bats, in wet markets, where they are sold. Keeping live bats in a confined space, with human contact, could easily lead to exposure and transmission through a bite, blood contact during killing, or simply excessive “viral shedding”, which occurs when an animal becomes stressed, and the immune response changes, causing the previously suppressed virus to replicate rapidly.
Similar to how we may develop a cold sore when we become ill with a cold or flu, if we are already unfortunate enough to host the herpes virus.
In the past many viruses have also entered the human population from bats via a secondary host. Which could well be the case with the novel Coronavirus, as bats were kept in filthy conditions alongside a variety of “exotic animals” at the markets where the outbreak originated.
Incidentally, following the SARS-COV-1 outbreak in 2003, a virology institute was founded in the Hubei province where many hundreds of Coronaviruses are isolated from wild bats and stored and studied by scientists everyday. It is also possible that infection occurred through scientific contact with a virus. One thing is clear though, it was certainly a single human infection that led to this pandemic. If the virus leaped into more than one human, the researchers would expect a greater number of genetic mutations.
What non-science people don’t realise is, that science leaves a trail, that all scientists can follow. Even unaffiliated ones.
If this virus “didn’t exist” or was “genetically engineered” or didn’t resemble what the published information was saying, then it would require thousands of research assistants, PhD students, doctors, virologists, immunologists the world over, who are looking at the sequence of the genome, looking at the virus under the microscope, reading the scientific literature, to be staying silent.
If one asks any member of the scientific community, academic or medical, even a high school science teacher; they all say the same thing. This was an accident waiting to happen. They’ve been expecting it for years. They’ve even used their research grants to study this stuff and issue stark warnings. Singapore set up a centre for infectious disease research following SARS-COV-1. Hence their exemplary response to this situation.
But I guess the idea of a 5G conspiracy is just sexier than reading up, listening to experts from all walks of life, and then accepting our governments wilful ignorance and total disregard for human life.''.....
John Robb
1 hr ·
From Jayne Casey Facebook page...long read about the virus and where it comes from - bit more complex than making a guess about 5G or Wuhan labs.
''Scientific advancements in molecular dating suggest Coronaviruses are close to 290 million years old. As such, they have an extremely long and complex genome.
However, as they are so ancient, they are made not of DNA, but of RNA, which is a more primitive single stranded, genetic material. With a highly unstable membrane, this can easily be disturbed and killed, prior to hijacking our cells, that is. Imagine the sensitivity of a balloon; which is why heat, or the simple act of vigorous hand-washing and bleaching is so effective at destroying it.
Humans have dealt with Coronaviruses in the form of the common cold all of our lives. And more recently, and far more seriously, during the SARS & MERS outbreaks of 2003 and 2012.
Since these more deadly diseases presented, scientists have been warning public health officials and governments of the dangers of such a pandemic. Hence all of the sci-fi movies, books, apocalyptic drama series, featuring mutated Corona-respiratory viruses. Especially in Asia, where they are commonly found, and have caused such public health emergencies in the past.
Coronaviruses are split into 4 groups, 2 of which are found in birds, and 2 in bats.
Bats, like us, are mammals. They are also a natural reservoir of many viruses, as they have an extremely powerful immune system. This means they can host them without producing an inflammatory response and actually becoming sick themselves.
This is, however, worse for us, as when bats fly twice daily -some at speeds exceeding 90 miles per hour- their body temperature mimics that of a fever, and the viruses they host must mutate to withstand this.
Of course, fever is the human body’s way of attacking and killing pathogens, so if we become infected by a virus built to withstand this response, we are in trouble.
I keep seeing people talking about “eating bats”...
Here in Asia, bats are eaten commonly across many cultures. However, it is not ingesting the meat of a bat which caused this virus to enter a human. And no scientist ever said this. The simple act of cooking would kill a Coronavirus anyway.
No, in China, it is common practice to keep a wide variety of live wild animals, including bats, in wet markets, where they are sold. Keeping live bats in a confined space, with human contact, could easily lead to exposure and transmission through a bite, blood contact during killing, or simply excessive “viral shedding”, which occurs when an animal becomes stressed, and the immune response changes, causing the previously suppressed virus to replicate rapidly.
Similar to how we may develop a cold sore when we become ill with a cold or flu, if we are already unfortunate enough to host the herpes virus.
In the past many viruses have also entered the human population from bats via a secondary host. Which could well be the case with the novel Coronavirus, as bats were kept in filthy conditions alongside a variety of “exotic animals” at the markets where the outbreak originated.
Incidentally, following the SARS-COV-1 outbreak in 2003, a virology institute was founded in the Hubei province where many hundreds of Coronaviruses are isolated from wild bats and stored and studied by scientists everyday. It is also possible that infection occurred through scientific contact with a virus. One thing is clear though, it was certainly a single human infection that led to this pandemic. If the virus leaped into more than one human, the researchers would expect a greater number of genetic mutations.
What non-science people don’t realise is, that science leaves a trail, that all scientists can follow. Even unaffiliated ones.
If this virus “didn’t exist” or was “genetically engineered” or didn’t resemble what the published information was saying, then it would require thousands of research assistants, PhD students, doctors, virologists, immunologists the world over, who are looking at the sequence of the genome, looking at the virus under the microscope, reading the scientific literature, to be staying silent.
If one asks any member of the scientific community, academic or medical, even a high school science teacher; they all say the same thing. This was an accident waiting to happen. They’ve been expecting it for years. They’ve even used their research grants to study this stuff and issue stark warnings. Singapore set up a centre for infectious disease research following SARS-COV-1. Hence their exemplary response to this situation.
But I guess the idea of a 5G conspiracy is just sexier than reading up, listening to experts from all walks of life, and then accepting our governments wilful ignorance and total disregard for human life.''.....
