General Manager Sack Watch

Steve Gilbert said:
How is it his career over? He could easily get a league 2 job for starters.
What he does need to do is actually think long and hard about the clubs he is going into.
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Not sure he will 'easily "get any managerial job now.
 
Northernyellow said:
Yup. But he's screwed his management career by constantly running after the next pay cheque. That's what Kitson accused him of, and he's probably right. Appleton is only about 45 and that's hid management career pretty much over
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His career record was blotchy when he came to us. Three complete basket cases with Pompey, Blackpool and Blackburn and then SAF giving him the hairdryer treatment down the phone telling him to do his due diligence.

Only us and Lincoln have really been his settled jobs since then. Otherwise it is a long list of mediocre to poor jobs and it’s largely his own doing.

Still, the payout after his playing career ended and various sackings will have done his bank balance no harm.
 
Leysboy said:
I’d have Appleton back here right now!
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#ambition
:ROFLMAO:

Think you may be might need to look a little bit deeper at club personnel around that time to fathom out why MA was a success here. And not forgetting this was after a fairly disasterous start too, the same leeway that is apparently not being afforded to our current manager . . .
 
Sheik djibouti said:
#ambition
:ROFLMAO:

Think you may be might need to look a little bit deeper at club personnel around that time to fathom out why MA was a success here. And not forgetting this was after a fairly disasterous start too, the same leeway that is apparently not being afforded to our current manager . . .
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At least under Mapps, you could see there was a plan on how he wanted to play. Despite the early set backs.

Des has been here since November, and I’m struggling to see what he’s trying to do, and sometimes the tactics and team selection is quite kind boggling.

With funds available I have no doubt Mapps would be a success here. Even after Ashton left he got us to the brink of the playoffs. We even demolished the eventual playoff winners 0-3 Millwall.
 
Leysboy said:
At least under Mapps, you could see there was a plan on how he wanted to play. Despite the early set backs.

Des has been here since November, and I’m struggling to see what he’s trying to do, and sometimes the tactics and team selection is quite kind boggling.

With funds available I have no doubt Mapps would be a success here. Even after Ashton left he got us to the brink of the playoffs. We even demolished the eventual playoff winners 0-3 Millwall.
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You're familar with the injury list, right?

Manning got lucky in that the starting 11 at his disposal was very good indeed, but as we've now come to realise, we were punching above our weight, the squad was paper thin behind it and carries far too many injury prone and over the hill players on expensive long contracts (not Manning's or Des's fault, granted). So, a paper thin inadequate squad and with several match day squad first choices out is always going to struggle with the make do nature of what was available (OisinSmyth on the right in defence?? - still managed to score a worldy winner though!). Just look at the Derby game as a prime example. We were gifted a two goal lead and were hanging on for dear life for the rest of that game with exhausted players and pretty much nothing on the bench that would improve us - who's fault is that?

It wasn't that long ago when Manning arrived that we were pretty much all acknowledging that it would take several transfer windows to undo the previous damage and re-balance the squad. What has changed suddenly? Is it the frustration of getting so high early on in the campaign and now seemingly unable to sustain it I wonder?
 
Sheik djibouti said:
You're familar with the injury list, right?

Manning got lucky in that the starting 11 at his disposal was very good indeed, but as we've now come to realise, we were punching above our weight, the squad was paper thin behind it and carries far too many injury prone and over the hill players on expensive long contracts (not Manning's or Des's fault, granted). So, a paper thin inadequate squad and with several match day squad first choices out is always going to struggle with the make do nature of what was available (OisinSmyth on the right in defence?? - still managed to score a worldy winner though!). Just look at the Derby game as a prime example. We were gifted a two goal lead and were hanging on for dear life for the rest of that game with exhausted players and pretty much nothing on the bench that would improve us - who's fault is that?

It wasn't that long ago when Manning arrived that we were pretty much all acknowledging that it would take several transfer windows to undo the previous damage and re-balance the squad. What has changed suddenly? Is it the frustration of getting so high early on in the campaign and now seemingly unable to sustain it I wonder?
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Can’t keep using the same excuses. Weather/ Injuries.

Every club has the same problems during full season.
 
It sounds like a lot of people are blaming Des, because Manning had a great start, that couldn’t be sustained because of extensive injuries.
Granted, results have been poor of late especially Peterborough and Derby. The new players will need time and of course we haven’t played our new strike partnership yet. We are still at least a couple of players light.
I am personally not expecting anything to change for at least a few weeks. At least we’re still sixth.
All going well we will still see Leigh improving game by game and all going well chip in with a few goals.
Way too early to be talking about replacing Des Buckingham. I’ve changed my mind on Appleton over the last couple of years and think he’s past his best
 
Sheik djibouti said:
Manning got lucky in that the starting 11 at his disposal was very good indeed, but as we've now come to realise, we were punching above our weight, the squad was paper thin behind it and carries far too many injury prone and over the hill players on expensive long contracts (not Manning's or Des's fault, granted). So, a paper thin inadequate squad and with several match day squad first choices out is always going to struggle with the make do nature of what was available (OisinSmyth on the right in defence?? - still managed to score a worldy winner though!). Just look at the Derby game as a prime example. We were gifted a two goal lead and were hanging on for dear life for the rest of that game with exhausted players and pretty much nothing on the bench that would improve us - who's fault is that?

It wasn't that long ago when Manning arrived that we were pretty much all acknowledging that it would take several transfer windows to undo the previous damage and re-balance the squad. What has changed suddenly? Is it the frustration of getting so high early on in the campaign and now seemingly unable to sustain it I wonder?
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I think there is certainly a lot of truth in that. We probably need a bit of a clear out in the summer and for the new manager to be able to get the players in that he needs to build a team that can play in the way he wants.

But there are certainly frustrations that come with watching the team on the pitch at the moment. I don't think I am alone in not actually being able to see what we are even *trying* to do much of the time. Sometimes playing the ball about at the back seems illogical and dangerous for little obvious advantage or reward. Hence the shouts from the stands to 'play it forward' - even when there seems little actually on! Playing with our backs to goal is far too prevalent. Some of the positioning, marking and movement off the ball is very questionable. It certainly *looks* at times as if the players are as confused as the people in the stands. It *looks* as if we are relying on worldy shots from 30 yards out (from midfielders and defenders) to score a goal. It *looks* unexciting and pedestrian. All of this *may* be misleading. There may be some gameplan I cannot see, that is too subtle for me - but I suspect not...

(And that isn't only when we lose! I thought the first half at Carlisle, for example, was very ordinary indeed.)

So while I think it's unfair to castigate DB for every miskick and certainly too early for any definitive judgement on him, it is the job of a manager to organise and motivate the players he has at his disposal to make the whole more than just the sum of its parts. Hand on heart, I can't see that when I look at the majority of our recent performances.
 
ZeroTheHero said:
I think there is certainly a lot of truth in that. We probably need a bit of a clear out in the summer and for the new manager to be able to get the players in that he needs to build a team that can play in the way he wants.

But there are certainly frustrations that come with watching the team on the pitch at the moment. I don't think I am alone in not actually being able to see what we are even *trying* to do much of the time. Sometimes playing the ball about at the back seems illogical and dangerous for little obvious advantage or reward. Hence the shouts from the stands to 'play it forward' - even when there seems little actually on! Playing with our backs to goal is far too prevalent. Some of the positioning, marking and movement off the ball is very questionable. It certainly *looks* at times as if the players are as confused as the people in the stands. It *looks* as if we are relying on worldy shots from 30 yards out (from midfielders and defenders) to score a goal. It *looks* unexciting and pedestrian. All of this *may* be misleading. There may be some gameplan I cannot see, that is too subtle for me - but I suspect not...

(And that isn't only when we lose! I thought the first half at Carlisle, for example, was very ordinary indeed.)

So while I think it's unfair to castigate DB for every miskick and certainly too early for any definitive judgement on him, it is the job of a manager to organise and motivate the players he has at his disposal to make the whole more than just the sum of its parts. Hand on heart, I can't see that when I look at the majority of our recent performances.
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Spot on I think! And I do think a lot of the frustration is around the difference in performance at the start of the season to what we're witnessing now. We look like we're going backwards quickly, but I think there are several reasons for that, some of which I mentioned up the thread. As I've already said, injuries and not much behind the strongest starting 11 = limited options to maintain the push. We've been crying out fora consistent (and fit) scorer since, like, forever! Lest we forget that Greg Leigh was our leading goalscorer during our purple patch, which might lead us to think we were flattering to deceive a little. ALL of this has been compounded by the enforced manager change. . . . and possibly even by the senior management taking their eye off the ball to sort out the pressing issues surrounding the stadium planning app. . . . who knows🤷‍♂️

Anyway, I thought the plan last night, in the second half at least was to hit the long diagonal towards the right corner....and let the wind carry it into touch :ROFLMAO: that and Cam letting a few worldies go.
 
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