Salary cap confirmed

[tonyw]

I agree with this - if you have three teams that have a squad good enough to earn £18m they are going to have a substantial advantage over those only able to offer a £2.5m total .

Although worth noting that the Sunderland squad in 2017-18 was apparently good enough to earn £47m.

Didn't help them much competing in League One in 2018-19 against teams who mostly ran wage bills 10% or less of that.

I'm getting repetitive and boring, but it just seems to me that these salary caps are formalizing a serious financial gap between Championship and League One. But if you look at the financial data, that gap has for the most part already been there for five years or more.......

 

[beyondthefourth]

Although worth noting that the Sunderland squad in 2017-18 was apparently good enough to earn £47m.

Didn't help them much competing in League One in 2018-19 against teams who mostly ran wage bills 10% or less of that.

I'm getting repetitive and boring, but it just seems to me that these salary caps are formalizing a serious financial gap between Championship and League One. But if you look at the financial data, that gap has for the most part already been there for five years or more.......

The Salary Cap is fairly redundant, as long as there are squad size caps all the way to the Premier League. Ensuring there will be a pool of players for who league One clubs are the highest standard they can aim for until they force their way up a division. And having to accept a reasonable wage to do so.

It just depends who leaves enough wiggle room in their finances to be able to sign the best of these. And it probably will ensure the best talents are shared more evenly through the division. And the academy system is invaluable.

 

[IsleofWightYellow]

Not sure if this has been covered already but there was some confusion about the squad sizes, but according to the Oxford Mail:

‘There is also a cap on the number of players aged over 21 in the squad – fixed at a maximum of 22 this season and then 20 from next term.’

 

[ZeroTheHero]

Given that there is a maximum total wage cap now, I am struggling to see why a squad size cap is required.

Surely it should be up to clubs if they would prefer to have 20 'top dollar' players or to have more, cheaper players and have 25 of them there? Or am I missing something?

 

[Scotchegg]

Given that there is a maximum total wage cap now, I am struggling to see why a squad size cap is required.

Surely it should be up to clubs if they would prefer to have 20 'top dollar' players or to have more, cheaper players and have 25 of them there? Or am I missing something?

My understanding is that u21's are excluded from wage or squad caps so it encourages youth development.

 

[Marked Ox]

Not sure if this has been covered already but there was some confusion about the squad sizes, but according to the Oxford Mail:

‘There is also a cap on the number of players aged over 21 in the squad – fixed at a maximum of 22 this season and then 20 from next term.’

This may add to the PFA's claim that the new rules are illegal. The age cut off may be a large problem.

Edit for a thought from a later post:

And if it is about players coming through youth ranks then home grown players from within the club should be exempt until older than u21. Otherwise the player has to be established by 20 so puts a likely ceiling on the age players will get developed to as other players will likely have to get released to keep within the rules.

 

[ljs]

Again though, and I know I'm probably getting boring beating this same old drum, if a Championship club has 20 players each on the average wage for that club post cap (assuming it's introduced) (roughly, 18m wage bill / 21 players = about 850k pa per player), and upon relegation they reduce every player's salary so that it matches the League One average (which, as discussed, is around 120k pa per player), you're asking each player to agree to a clause in a contract that would cut their salaries by about 85% overnight. That is MASSIVELY more than your typical relegation wage reduction clauses at the moment (which Football Manager leads me to believe is about 20%) and is surely unreasonable to expect young men trying to build a career to stomach.

It wouldn't be an overnight reduction though, would it?

The first year after relegation they can still be paid their £850k (or at a 20% reduced relegation clause rate), but for the capping purposes they would be classed (but not actually) as being paid L1 average for the season.

 

[RyanioBirdio]

“As the rules include bonuses for things like goals, wins and clean sheets, there is an element of uncertainty about exactly how close clubs should go to the threshold.

It could see a scenario where teams who have a better than expected start to the season pay out more in bonuses than predicted and then have to cut back in the January window to avoid financial penalties.”

Hahahahahahaha.

Deeeaaarrrrrr oh dear.

Still, it’s good that established L1 clubs who are having to live entirely within their means won’t be punished versus those who have been allowed to carry down a quite spectacular wage bill.

 

[Marked Ox]

“As the rules include bonuses for things like goals, wins and clean sheets, there is an element of uncertainty about exactly how close clubs should go to the threshold.

It could see a scenario where teams who have a better than expected start to the season pay out more in bonuses than predicted and then have to cut back in the January window to avoid financial penalties.”

Hahahahahahaha.

Deeeaaarrrrrr oh dear.

Still, it’s good that established L1 clubs who are having to live entirely within their means won’t be punished versus those who have been allowed to carry down a quite spectacular wage bill.

That's what happens when things are rushed through without enough thought/planning. This will be one of many and I really hope the PFA challenge succeeds, even if only so that any solution is thought through properly with proper consultation and it is introduced with a bit of lead in time.

 

[Fred]

Half the club's in div1 and virtually all in div2 voted for the cap. I suggest if you are in favour you think it can work, if your against you pick holes in it.

 

[AbbeyOx]

if the appeal is successful won’t that mean it would’ve screwed clubs up with their transfer dealings? targets could’ve been identified and lined up but then had to be changed to meet the cap.
i’m not against it in principle but why was it rushed through during the transfer window with so many uncertainties

 

[Fred]

if the appeal is successful won’t that mean it would’ve screwed clubs up with their transfer dealings? targets could’ve been identified and lined up but then had to be changed to meet the cap.
i’m not against it in principle but why was it rushed through during the transfer window with so many uncertainties

Was it rushed through?
In div2 especially was it necessary for survival?

 

[RyanioBirdio]

if the appeal is successful won’t that mean it would’ve screwed clubs up with their transfer dealings? targets could’ve been identified and lined up but then had to be changed to meet the cap.
i’m not against it in principle but why was it rushed through during the transfer window with so many uncertainties

No deal that is pushed through in a mad hurry is ever any good. The quicker it’s shoved through the more worried the people tabling it are that it’ll be rejected if anyone gets the chance to spend proper time analysing it. And if they’re worried about it being studied and scrutinised, you have to ask how it could ever be described as being for the good of the very people they don’t want to look at it. Simple, basic logic nailed this thing to the wall from the off. Common sense and all that.

Continually amused but ultimately horrified by how many turkeys don’t realise they’ve voted for Christmas. In fact, it seems an awful lot of turkeys don’t even realise they’re turkeys to begin with.

 

[Fred]

No deal that is pushed through in a mad hurry is ever any good. The quicker it’s shoved through the more worried the people tabling it are that it’ll be rejected if anyone gets the chance to spend proper time analysing it. And if they’re worried about it being studied and scrutinised, you have to ask how it could ever be described as being for the good of the very people they don’t want to look at it. Simple, basic logic nailed this thing to the wall from the off. Common sense and all that.

Continually amused but ultimately horrified by how many turkeys don’t realise they’ve voted for Christmas. In fact, it seems an awful lot of turkeys don’t even realise they’re turkeys to begin with.

Do you think most div2 chairman are not very clever?

 

[IsleofWightYellow]

‘Necessary for survival’

If the government said ‘If you eat ice cream all day every day you will die, so you can now only eat one ice cream a month’ I wouldn’t go ‘oh thank god, now I will stop gorging on ice cream every day, I knew it was killing me, but thankfully there’s a cap now so I won’t do it any more!’

If all those League Two chairman thought that spending too much was endangering their clubs, why didn’t they just stop spending?

 

[m]

If all those League Two chairman thought that spending too much was endangering their clubs, why didn’t they just stop spending?

Because others didn't stop spending so they couldn't compete.

It's always other people that are the root of the problem.

 

[Fred]

‘Necessary for survival’

If the government said ‘If you eat ice cream all day every day you will die, so you can now only eat one ice cream a month’ I wouldn’t go ‘oh thank god, now I will stop gorging on ice cream every day, I knew it was killing me, but thankfully there’s a cap now so I won’t do it any more!’

If all those League Two chairman thought that spending too much was endangering their clubs, why didn’t they just stop spending?

If all clubs reduce there wage bill by say 20% there position in the division is not affected. If one club caps there wages they would drift down the Leagues.

 

[IsleofWightYellow]

If all clubs reduce there wage bill by say 20% there position in the division is not affected. If one club caps there wages they would drift down the Leagues.

It’s not a % reduction though is it, it’s a flat cap. If all the clubs just wanted to guarantee eachothers survival they could just all agree to live within their means and not spend more than a % of turnover. Everyone’s happy, no-one is at risk, and it’s fair.

 

[Fred]

It’s not a % reduction though is it, it’s a flat cap. If all the clubs just wanted to guarantee eachothers survival they could just all agree to live within their means and not spend more than a % of turnover. Everyone’s happy, no-one is at risk, and it’s fair.

You know what I meant If all clubs spend less on wages sustainability is improved. I agree in some ways it is unfair, but surely this can be implemented?

 

[RgYellows]

Continually amused but ultimately horrified by how many turkeys don’t realise they’ve voted for Christmas. In fact, it seems an awful lot of turkeys don’t even realise they’re turkeys to begin with.

Continually amused but ultimately horrified at how many turkeys don't seem to have realised that the crackers were delivered, the tree was put up, and carol singers were knocking at the door years ago, and now they've just started to realise it might be Christmas.