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JFK to LHR and Toronto to LHR over Oxfordshire now. Open the gates.
 
QR said:
This is such a circular argument/discussion.

Your points are valid but it's because of the catastrophic impact of a pandemic that we should have been better prepared.

This is the third time I've posted this in case you've missed it.


It's too late now so stop asking me for the answer!
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You understandably say the Govt are wrong because we all have opinions on this that are valid, but you avoid any discussion of your opinion or think about some of the real world practicalities - and you must understand they come with significant societal changes and challenges, or dependencies on other countries who are also shutdown.

We can't just test everyone for COVID. Not only is it wildly impractical from a cost, resource and time perspective, what are you looking to test for?
 
I see Hendrick Streek is making some waves with his thoughts about social isolation, etc. Perhaps QR can tell him why he is wrong
www.thecollegefix.com

German prof finds ‘no significant risk’ of coronavirus infection at supermarkets | The College Fix

Outbreaks arise from ‘people being closer together over a longer period of time,’ he says.
www.thecollegefix.com www.thecollegefix.com

And only 21 people are in the Nightingale Hospital, which is a lot lower than I thought it would be at this stage - my assumption was the late hundreds or early thousands at best.
 
Gary Baldi said:
I see Hendrick Streek is making some waves with his thoughts about social isolation, etc. Perhaps QR can tell him why he is wrong
www.thecollegefix.com

German prof finds ‘no significant risk’ of coronavirus infection at supermarkets | The College Fix

Outbreaks arise from ‘people being closer together over a longer period of time,’ he says.
www.thecollegefix.com www.thecollegefix.com

And only 21 people are in the Nightingale Hospital, which is a lot lower than I thought it would be at this stage - my assumption was the late hundreds or early thousands at best.
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Oh yeah because I was only just saying no one should go to supermarkets. Only I haven't made any comments at all about supermarket, Ever!

Your first point seems to be anti SD, your second point suggests it might be working. So what was your point?
 
RyanioBirdio said:
Can’t wait until the prison service enters the narrative in the coming weeks - the eternal pain in the a**e that is James O’Brien is starting to sniff at it.

My mate says.....
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I'm guessing the "play the ball and not the man" narrative has also changed?

So, yes as mentioned previously, the Prison Service has already entered this debate. The NHS and care homes are front and central of this crisis (rightly so), but prisons are the one other establishment where staff have no choice but to put themselves at risk of infection in order to protect others.

I have spoken of my fears of taking the infection home to my wife and young family. This is my wife with underlying medical conditions that nearly confined her to a life in a wheelchair only a year ago, and our youngest who will celebrate his 4th birthday in isolation and is a higher risk due to respiratory issues. This is the family that I haven't kissed for 3 weeks, the family that I distance from in order to keep them safe.

Now, of course your mate (it's always useful to have a "mate" to add legitimacy to what ever you post) may have a different experience. In the same way that some hospitals are experiencing much lower footfall through A&E, some care homes have no cases, and some prisons will escape any major concerns. This isn't about scoring points, I genuinely hope that as few people as possible are affected by this. But this has little bearing on my experience.

I, and my colleagues, have worked directly with confirmed covid-19 cases. Not from behind a keyboard but directly within inches of someone who has been tested and confirmed to have this virus. One particular individual was non-complaint and wasn't wearing the mask he had been provided or remaining isolated. I dealt with that situation and whilst I had ppe (glasses, mask, apron and gloves), I also had a full shift to continue afterwards without knowing if my uniform, boots, hair etc were contaminated. So whilst I could dispose of the ppe safely, I could not be sure I was clean. Also, I have no idea who else could have been infected by this one individual and whether or not they could then infect me.

I'm sure you won't understand, very few would, but do you know what it feels like to be dealing with an invisible killer that anyone could have? Do you know what it feels like to not only be putting myself at risk every day, but also trying to support a staff group (and prisoners) who are also scared? Do you have any understanding of the guilt that I carry every day knowing that if my family become ill it is because I have brought that into the house?

And then do you understand why I might find the pathetic insults posted by someone on an internet forum so f*****g embarrassing?

I come onto this forum to try to keep a level of normality in my seriously crazy life. I post things that some agree with, and others don't. Nothing has changed in that regard! But it is only you that feels it necessary to make things personal, and am sorry to say that that says far more about you than it does about me.

I'm about to go into work so I'll leave the playground stuff here. Stay safe and take care, and I'll try to do the same.
 
Gary Baldi said:
You understandably say the Govt are wrong because we all have opinions on this that are valid, but you avoid any discussion of your opinion or think about some of the real world practicalities - and you must understand they come with significant societal changes and challenges, or dependencies on other countries who are also shutdown.

We can't just test everyone for COVID. Not only is it wildly impractical from a cost, resource and time perspective, what are you looking to test for?
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If you can't see the enemy you can't fight it.
 
Gary Baldi said:
I see Hendrick Streek is making some waves with his thoughts about social isolation, etc. Perhaps QR can tell him why he is wrong
www.thecollegefix.com

German prof finds ‘no significant risk’ of coronavirus infection at supermarkets | The College Fix

Outbreaks arise from ‘people being closer together over a longer period of time,’ he says.
www.thecollegefix.com www.thecollegefix.com

And only 21 people are in the Nightingale Hospital, which is a lot lower than I thought it would be at this stage - my assumption was the late hundreds or early thousands at best.
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That's very interesting. Didn't seem to get much coverage over here, though. I wonder why?
 
Scotchegg said:
I'm guessing the "play the ball and not the man" narrative has also changed?

So, yes as mentioned previously, the Prison Service has already entered this debate. The NHS and care homes are front and central of this crisis (rightly so), but prisons are the one other establishment where staff have no choice but to put themselves at risk of infection in order to protect others.

I have spoken of my fears of taking the infection home to my wife and young family. This is my wife with underlying medical conditions that nearly confined her to a life in a wheelchair only a year ago, and our youngest who will celebrate his 4th birthday in isolation and is a higher risk due to respiratory issues. This is the family that I haven't kissed for 3 weeks, the family that I distance from in order to keep them safe.

Now, of course your mate (it's always useful to have a "mate" to add legitimacy to what ever you post) may have a different experience. In the same way that some hospitals are experiencing much lower footfall through A&E, some care homes have no cases, and some prisons will escape any major concerns. This isn't about scoring points, I genuinely hope that as few people as possible are affected by this. But this has little bearing on my experience.

I, and my colleagues, have worked directly with confirmed covid-19 cases. Not from behind a keyboard but directly within inches of someone who has been tested and confirmed to have this virus. One particular individual was non-complaint and wasn't wearing the mask he had been provided or remaining isolated. I dealt with that situation and whilst I had ppe (glasses, mask, apron and gloves), I also had a full shift to continue afterwards without knowing if my uniform, boots, hair etc were contaminated. So whilst I could dispose of the ppe safely, I could not be sure I was clean. Also, I have no idea who else could have been infected by this one individual and whether or not they could then infect me.

I'm sure you won't understand, very few would, but do you know what it feels like to be dealing with an invisible killer that anyone could have? Do you know what it feels like to not only be putting myself at risk every day, but also trying to support a staff group (and prisoners) who are also scared? Do you have any understanding of the guilt that I carry every day knowing that if my family become ill it is because I have brought that into the house?

And then do you understand why I might find the pathetic insults posted by someone on an internet forum so f*****g embarrassing?

I come onto this forum to try to keep a level of normality in my seriously crazy life. I post things that some agree with, and others don't. Nothing has changed in that regard! But it is only you that feels it necessary to make things personal, and am sorry to say that that says far more about you than it does about me.

I'm about to go into work so I'll leave the playground stuff here. Stay safe and take care, and I'll try to do the same.
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You need to be taking better care of yourself, Mate. Have a break from this for a while.
 
horseman said:
whilst acknowledging it's a great thing to do, it is somewhat easier not to miss a % when you're a high earner whereas down in the real world every penny counts
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I wasn't commenting on the impact as I appreciate in the scheme of things it will be a drop in the ocean. I was simply impressed by the show of leadership.
 
in contrast to NZ politicians, 'our' government minister for care Helen Whatley ,apparently sniggered and laughed on live tv earlier today, when questioned about 4000 CV19 deaths in UK care homes .... arent we lucky to have such a compassionate government looking after us?

www.kentonline.co.uk

Kent MP's car-crash interview with Piers Morgan

A Kent MP has been taken to task by Piers Morgan in a car-crash interview on Good Morning Britain.
www.kentonline.co.uk www.kentonline.co.uk
 
Meanwhile... in the real world that isn`t the microcosm that is twatter.
An acute East Midlands hospital trust.......
Up to midnight 13th April.
Confirmed inpatients: 201
Discharged: 231
Deceased: 115

We still have ventilated bed capacity.

PPE: We have loads sat on site in the loading bay............. middle management in their infinite wisdom gave the supplies staff 4 days off over Easter. The last mile matters?? Shall we blame the Government for that? Pretty sure some of the knobs on here will...................... lets tweet that to Dan feckin Walker eh?

It is not as simple as some folk seem to think...
 
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