Other European European Super League one step closer?

[boogaloo]

Ok waiting for the club statement from one of these clubs

“ The board held a meeting and after careful consideration the feeling from the board was that to leave the EPL and join the ESL would be detrimental to football. The fans are first and foremost in our minds so with that in mind we have decided to withdraw from joining the ESL. “

They are two-faced pr*cks of the highest order. All this caring for the fans, the community and the good of the game. No that's what Bayern Munich, Porto and PSG did when they told Senor Perez to go and f*ck himself!

The only two I do have a little (not much, but little) bit of sympathy for is Man City and Chelsea. From the sounds of it, they didn't really want to be a part of it in the first place, but joined up because they knew the others were signing up, and didn't want to be left behind. And to their credit, they were the first ones to get cold feet and say "Actually no I don't want to be a part of this". It takes guts to be the first to stick your head above the parapet.

 

[ZeroTheHero]

They are two-faced pr*cks of the highest order. All this caring for the fans, the community and the good of the game. No that's what Bayern Munich, Porto and PSG did when they told Senor Perez to go and f*ck himself!

The only two I do have a little (not much, but little) bit of sympathy for is Man City and Chelsea. From the sounds of it, they didn't really want to be a part of it in the first place, but joined up because they knew the others were signing up, and didn't want to be left behind. And to their credit, they were the first ones to get cold feet and say "Actually no I don't want to be a part of this". It takes guts to be the first to stick your head above the parapet.

Or you could say that they should have had the courage of their convictions in the first place and refused to join up. I am afraid this 'well we never *really* wanted to be in the gang, but the big boys made us' stuff is a bit feeble really.

 

[Paul Cannell]

They were only obeying orders, @Sarge as a military man you should appreciate that.

(Edit) Now I see I've mistaken @ZeroTheHero for @Sarge . Worrying.

 

[Marked Ox]

Interesting on Newsnight last night about the possible legal/political ramifications threatened by the Govt. Some of the threatened changes could have been the German 50%+1 ownership, declaring football a "cartel" which has legal ramifications, banning international travel in by opposition clubs. The Govt deserve praise on this if they did threaten these behind the scenes.

I think this has pushed the likelihood of an independent regulator up the Agenda and more likely. I quite like idea if the 50+1 rule but how it would be introduced I'm not sure.

Apparently (haven't a clue if true or not) Spanish press is claiming English clubs partly pulled out as they were offered more of financial pot by UEFA. Spanish clubs were not offered the same deal.

 

[ZeroTheHero]

They were only obeying orders, @Sarge as a military man you should appreciate that.

(Edit) Now I see I've mistaken @ZeroTheHero for @Sarge . Worrying.

It worries me more.

 

[Paul Cannell]

Pleasingly, I retain the capacity to understand that.

 

[boogaloo]

Looks like it's been abandoned. Atletico Madrid and Inter pulled out today, leaving just four clubs. The Juve Chairman has admitted that the project is now dead. Oh well, that didn't last long did it!

 

[Marked Ox]

Looks like it's been abandoned. Atletico Madrid and Inter pulled out today, leaving just four clubs. The Juve Chairman has admitted that the project is now dead. Oh well, that didn't last long did it!

The Juve (Agnelli I think) chap at the heart of this is resigning according to reports I read last night.

 

[MarkG]

They are two-faced pr*cks of the highest order. All this caring for the fans, the community and the good of the game. No that's what Bayern Munich, Porto and PSG did when they told Senor Perez to go and f*ck himself!

The only two I do have a little (not much, but little) bit of sympathy for is Man City and Chelsea. From the sounds of it, they didn't really want to be a part of it in the first place, but joined up because they knew the others were signing up, and didn't want to be left behind. And to their credit, they were the first ones to get cold feet and say "Actually no I don't want to be a part of this". It takes guts to be the first to stick your head above the parapet.

But those are the two with the oligarch / nation state owners. So they don't want or need a level playing field of an equal tax adjusted salary cap across the ESL, nor do they need a more even distribution of revenues.

 

[RyanioBirdio]

I know Gary Neville's pleased with the outcome but this is ridiculous! View attachment 6164

Disgusting.

Where has it been posted? Just so I can make sure I don’t go there.

 

[mooro]

That was an eventful 48 hours then..

Anyway, in terms of punishment, I would not go down the road penalising them domestically (points penalties or demotion), instead hit them with the exact thing they were looking to secure - European qualification.

Fine each club three "qualifications", where finishing in a champions League is worth two and a Europa League spot is worth one, starting with the end of this season for tournaments in 21/22. Only once these have been served can they play in Europe again. Perhaps drop the penalty for MC and Chelsea to two because they were the ones to pull the plug first.

For example, if positions stayed as they are right now for the end of this season, then MC, MU and Chelsea would use up two, Liv and spurs would use up one and arsenal none. None of them would qualify for next season, leaving Leicester, West Ham, Everton and Leeds to play in CL, while Villa, Wolves and Palace would be in the Europa League.

Then next season the clubs would go into it with the following remaining fines - MC and Chelsea = 0 ; MU = 1; Liverpool and Spurs = 2; Arsenal = 3. This would mean that Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal could not qualify for any tournament in 22/23 from the 21/22 domestic season, but would still have to remain competitive in order to eat through their penalty. MC and Chelsea would have served their penalty and would therefore be able to qualify using the normal criteria. MU meanwhile, would have just one to use up. meaning that finishing in the EL places would not be enough to qualify, but a top 4 finish would knock them down from the CL to the EL. Again, other clubs would move up to fill vacated slots in each tournament.

Doing it this way would penalise the big six, but without disrupting the domestic setup by having clubs on minus points and playing catch-up/being on the beach once clear of the relegation slots or with international squads in League2. Instead, all teams would start equal, the table would reflect normality, while it would be in the interest of the big six to compete fully in order to tick off their penalties in order to rejoin the Euro tournaments as soon as possible.

 

[m]

That was an eventful 48 hours then..

Anyway, in terms of punishment, I would not go down the road penalising them domestically (points penalties or demotion), instead hit them with the exact thing they were looking to secure - European qualification.

Fine each club three "qualifications", where finishing in a champions League is worth two and a Europa League spot is worth one, starting with the end of this season for tournaments in 21/22. Only once these have been served can they play in Europe again. Perhaps drop the penalty for MC and Chelsea to two because they were the ones to pull the plug first.

For example, if positions stayed as they are right now for the end of this season, then MC, MU and Chelsea would use up two, Liv and spurs would use up one and arsenal none. None of them would qualify for next season, leaving Leicester, West Ham, Everton and Leeds to play in CL, while Villa, Wolves and Palace would be in the Europa League.

Then next season the clubs would go into it with the following remaining fines - MC and Chelsea = 0 ; MU = 1; Liverpool and Spurs = 2; Arsenal = 3. This would mean that Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal could not qualify for any tournament in 22/23 from the 21/22 domestic season, but would still have to remain competitive in order to eat through their penalty. MC and Chelsea would have served their penalty and would therefore be able to qualify using the normal criteria. MU meanwhile, would have just one to use up. meaning that finishing in the EL places would not be enough to qualify, but a top 4 finish would knock them down from the CL to the EL. Again, other clubs would move up to fill vacated slots in each tournament.

Doing it this way would penalise the big six, but without disrupting the domestic setup by having clubs on minus points and playing catch-up/being on the beach once clear of the relegation slots or with international squads in League2. Instead, all teams would start equal, the table would reflect normality, while it would be in the interest of the big six to compete fully in order to tick off their penalties in order to rejoin the Euro tournaments as soon as possible.

It's a nice idea.

I doubt there will be any punishment.

 

[Big Ronaldo]

With many football clubs struggling with crippling debt, hanging on by a thread and going bust, Isn’t it comforting to know that there is £billions and billions out there ready and willing to be ‘invested’ at any time ‘to save football.?!’

 

[Notaswindonfan]

With many football clubs struggling with crippling debt, hanging on by a thread and going bust, Isn’t it comforting to know that there is £billions and billions out there ready and willing to be ‘invested’ at any time ‘to save football.?!’

It was to be invested to save ESL clubs and the rest would have to make their own way.

 

[BristolOx]

That was an eventful 48 hours then..

Anyway, in terms of punishment, I would not go down the road penalising them domestically (points penalties or demotion), instead hit them with the exact thing they were looking to secure - European qualification.

Fine each club three "qualifications", where finishing in a champions League is worth two and a Europa League spot is worth one, starting with the end of this season for tournaments in 21/22. Only once these have been served can they play in Europe again. Perhaps drop the penalty for MC and Chelsea to two because they were the ones to pull the plug first.

For example, if positions stayed as they are right now for the end of this season, then MC, MU and Chelsea would use up two, Liv and spurs would use up one and arsenal none. None of them would qualify for next season, leaving Leicester, West Ham, Everton and Leeds to play in CL, while Villa, Wolves and Palace would be in the Europa League.

Then next season the clubs would go into it with the following remaining fines - MC and Chelsea = 0 ; MU = 1; Liverpool and Spurs = 2; Arsenal = 3. This would mean that Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal could not qualify for any tournament in 22/23 from the 21/22 domestic season, but would still have to remain competitive in order to eat through their penalty. MC and Chelsea would have served their penalty and would therefore be able to qualify using the normal criteria. MU meanwhile, would have just one to use up. meaning that finishing in the EL places would not be enough to qualify, but a top 4 finish would knock them down from the CL to the EL. Again, other clubs would move up to fill vacated slots in each tournament.

Doing it this way would penalise the big six, but without disrupting the domestic setup by having clubs on minus points and playing catch-up/being on the beach once clear of the relegation slots or with international squads in League2. Instead, all teams would start equal, the table would reflect normality, while it would be in the interest of the big six to compete fully in order to tick off their penalties in order to rejoin the Euro tournaments as soon as possible.

Absolutely love and would back this idea.

However UEFA are not going to want Man United, Man City, Chelsea and Liverpool missing out on next years competitions. I would assume UEFA would still lose money for them not being in the competition and therefore won't go down that route.
I suspect a fine is the worst these clubs will get from Europe.

 

[Essexyellows]

There is no punishment.
There will be no government or legislative intervention.
There is still a huge pot of money on offer.
They will go away, dress the pig up in fancy clothes, and reintroduce it in another guise.
It`ll still be a pig.

 

[Sarge]

There is no punishment.
There will be no government or legislative intervention.
There is still a huge pot of money on offer.
They will go away, dress the pig up in fancy clothes, and reintroduce it in another guise.
It`ll still be a pig.

...they'll put some lipstick to the pig to make it seem more attractive too

 

[werthersoriginal]

That was an eventful 48 hours then..

Anyway, in terms of punishment, I would not go down the road penalising them domestically (points penalties or demotion), instead hit them with the exact thing they were looking to secure - European qualification.

Fine each club three "qualifications", where finishing in a champions League is worth two and a Europa League spot is worth one, starting with the end of this season for tournaments in 21/22. Only once these have been served can they play in Europe again. Perhaps drop the penalty for MC and Chelsea to two because they were the ones to pull the plug first.

For example, if positions stayed as they are right now for the end of this season, then MC, MU and Chelsea would use up two, Liv and spurs would use up one and arsenal none. None of them would qualify for next season, leaving Leicester, West Ham, Everton and Leeds to play in CL, while Villa, Wolves and Palace would be in the Europa League.

Then next season the clubs would go into it with the following remaining fines - MC and Chelsea = 0 ; MU = 1; Liverpool and Spurs = 2; Arsenal = 3. This would mean that Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal could not qualify for any tournament in 22/23 from the 21/22 domestic season, but would still have to remain competitive in order to eat through their penalty. MC and Chelsea would have served their penalty and would therefore be able to qualify using the normal criteria. MU meanwhile, would have just one to use up. meaning that finishing in the EL places would not be enough to qualify, but a top 4 finish would knock them down from the CL to the EL. Again, other clubs would move up to fill vacated slots in each tournament.

Doing it this way would penalise the big six, but without disrupting the domestic setup by having clubs on minus points and playing catch-up/being on the beach once clear of the relegation slots or with international squads in League2. Instead, all teams would start equal, the table would reflect normality, while it would be in the interest of the big six to compete fully in order to tick off their penalties in order to rejoin the Euro tournaments as soon as possible.

That was an eventful 48 hours then..

Anyway, in terms of punishment, I would not go down the road penalising them domestically (points penalties or demotion), instead hit them with the exact thing they were looking to secure - European qualification.

Fine each club three "qualifications", where finishing in a champions League is worth two and a Europa League spot is worth one, starting with the end of this season for tournaments in 21/22. Only once these have been served can they play in Europe again. Perhaps drop the penalty for MC and Chelsea to two because they were the ones to pull the plug first.

For example, if positions stayed as they are right now for the end of this season, then MC, MU and Chelsea would use up two, Liv and spurs would use up one and arsenal none. None of them would qualify for next season, leaving Leicester, West Ham, Everton and Leeds to play in CL, while Villa, Wolves and Palace would be in the Europa League.

Then next season the clubs would go into it with the following remaining fines - MC and Chelsea = 0 ; MU = 1; Liverpool and Spurs = 2; Arsenal = 3. This would mean that Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal could not qualify for any tournament in 22/23 from the 21/22 domestic season, but would still have to remain competitive in order to eat through their penalty. MC and Chelsea would have served their penalty and would therefore be able to qualify using the normal criteria. MU meanwhile, would have just one to use up. meaning that finishing in the EL places would not be enough to qualify, but a top 4 finish would knock them down from the CL to the EL. Again, other clubs would move up to fill vacated slots in each tournament.

Doing it this way would penalise the big six, but without disrupting the domestic setup by having clubs on minus points and playing catch-up/being on the beach once clear of the relegation slots or with international squads in League2. Instead, all teams would start equal, the table would reflect normality, while it would be in the interest of the big six to compete fully in order to tick off their penalties in order to rejoin the Euro tournaments as soon as possible.

There won't be any punishment and I'm not sure there should be - no one has done anything substantive, they've just said some stuff then gone back on it.

 

[sideshowrob]

I think next season the six clubs should have 'Football is for the Fans' printed on their shirts with no other sponsorship allowed on the kit.

 

[Essexyellows]

That £3 billion (or more) pot is still sat there and sure as eggs are eggs they`ll want to get their snouts in it.
Lots of chatter about what will happen to the 6.......... nothing will, once the water settles everything returns to normal.
Give it some time and the redressed pig will be wheeled out with a more tempting "offer".