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tonyw said:
Quite apart from the action in question - here was Trump's tweet defending it:

"As I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!)."

I didn't think that his narcissism could get any worse, but it really is.
And now, in his great and unmatched wisdom, he's ignoring the advice and wishes of the Pentagon. The leadership of which, as much as they sometimes have a reputation for being combative, are an intelligent and extremely competent group of individuals.

It's a little scary. I hope his handlers are keeping the key to the nuclear button well out of his reach......
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If you put a Dr Evil voice on it, it befits the tone it was written in.

Regardless of the idiocy of that tweet, the Trump not wanting to get involved in other people's war thing continues. From Vietnam to now, the guy wants a military to parade around to look at, but wants no use on the weapons they hold.

I don't like the Kurds being hung out to dry like this though - they did some very hard yards at ISIS when others didn't want to get involved and have been thinking in rather ? way.
 
Gary Baldi said:
I don't like the Kurds being hung out to dry like this though - they did some very hard yards at ISIS when others didn't want to get involved and have been thinking in rather ? way.
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And let's be honest, it's a recurring theme.

Nixon funded the Kurdish rebellion in '73 until it wasn't politically expedient any more, and then Saddam crushed them.

Then, after the first Gulf War, GHWB failed to support another Kurdish rebellion, which Saddam crushed even worst than before (the US then went back in to set up a conflict-free zone as a humanitarian action).

By now, no matter how much support they provide, they should be expecting the US to leave them to fend for themselves whenever it's no longer a US priority (although almost everyone thinks it should still be a US priority as there's a significant risk that ISIS re-emerges without a US presence in the region).
 
tonyw said:
And let's be honest, it's a recurring theme.

Nixon funded the Kurdish rebellion in '73 until it wasn't politically expedient any more, and then Saddam crushed them.

Then, after the first Gulf War, GHWB failed to support another Kurdish rebellion, which Saddam crushed even worst than before (the US then went back in to set up a conflict-free zone as a humanitarian action).

By now, no matter how much support they provide, they should be expecting the US to leave them to fend for themselves whenever it's no longer a US priority (although almost everyone thinks it should still be a US priority as there's a significant risk that ISIS re-emerges without a US presence in the region).
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The Kurds deserve more than what they are getting - the fact Turkey flat out refuses to interact with them says a lot. Those people have made significant sacrifices and as you say, consistently dropped like an off sandwich when it's not expedient. The women fighters in particular went way above in their fighting than many of the so called ISIS male did. It's a crying shame to see them marginalised like this.
 
Let's hope he has the B*****s to send back that woman who has broken my family!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Didn`t take Turkey long......

www.bbc.co.uk

US says it did not approve Turkey's Syria offensive

The US secretary of state defends President Trump after Turkey launches an offensive in northern Syria.
www.bbc.co.uk


Ethnic cleansing, protection of a safe zone or a dictator in action???

Best news is that El Shafee Elsheikh and Alexanda Kotey have been "removed" from the area and will face trial in the US, as long as they promise not to execute them.
 
Essexyellows said:
Didn`t take Turkey long......

www.bbc.co.uk

US says it did not approve Turkey's Syria offensive

The US secretary of state defends President Trump after Turkey launches an offensive in northern Syria.
www.bbc.co.uk


Ethnic cleansing, protection of a safe zone or a dictator in action???

Best news is that El Shafee Elsheikh and Alexanda Kotey have been "removed" from the area and will face trial in the US, as long as they promise not to execute them.
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And an analysis from that article that needs to borne in mind who still think the US will come to our rescue with a trade deal:

"Transactional alliances
Even by President Trump's own remarkable standards his off-the-cuff remark that the US alliance with the Kurds is of little importance because they were not at Normandy, ie they did not fight with the US and its allies in World War Two, is extraordinary.
For Mr Trump alliances are simply transactional - business arrangements to be judged according to a brutal and short-term cost benefit analysis. What is the US giving and what is it getting in return?
In seemingly writing off the Kurds he suggests that the US can easily find other allies in the region. Really? Has he already forgotten recent history? The Kurds were the only capable and reliable local ally in the struggle against IS.
But what will Mr Trump do about Turkey who, incidentally, were not at Normandy either? This is fast becoming a major test of Turkey's standing within Nato, with many fearing it has become a far from reliable ally of the West."
 
Marked Ox said:
And an analysis from that article that needs to borne in mind who still think the US will come to our rescue with a trade deal:

"Transactional alliances
Even by President Trump's own remarkable standards his off-the-cuff remark that the US alliance with the Kurds is of little importance because they were not at Normandy, ie they did not fight with the US and its allies in World War Two, is extraordinary.
For Mr Trump alliances are simply transactional - business arrangements to be judged according to a brutal and short-term cost benefit analysis. What is the US giving and what is it getting in return?
In seemingly writing off the Kurds he suggests that the US can easily find other allies in the region. Really? Has he already forgotten recent history? The Kurds were the only capable and reliable local ally in the struggle against IS.
But what will Mr Trump do about Turkey who, incidentally, were not at Normandy either? This is fast becoming a major test of Turkey's standing within Nato, with many fearing it has become a far from reliable ally of the West."
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Ah yes....USA under Trump...the Great White Supremacist Hope for trade Nirvana :ROFLMAO:

YEah...but what will Turkey do about America..they were no shows at Gallipoli 29 years earlier?
 
Marked Ox said:
And an analysis from that article that needs to borne in mind who still think the US will come to our rescue with a trade deal:

"Transactional alliances
Even by President Trump's own remarkable standards his off-the-cuff remark that the US alliance with the Kurds is of little importance because they were not at Normandy, ie they did not fight with the US and its allies in World War Two, is extraordinary.
For Mr Trump alliances are simply transactional - business arrangements to be judged according to a brutal and short-term cost benefit analysis. What is the US giving and what is it getting in return?
In seemingly writing off the Kurds he suggests that the US can easily find other allies in the region. Really? Has he already forgotten recent history? The Kurds were the only capable and reliable local ally in the struggle against IS.
But what will Mr Trump do about Turkey who, incidentally, were not at Normandy either? This is fast becoming a major test of Turkey's standing within Nato, with many fearing it has become a far from reliable ally of the West."
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There is no sentiment in business.

As he said himself....
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As we only see/hear a condensed version of things we can`t pretend to understand what happens in reality.


So is Erdogan a "ruthless dictator hell bent on ethnic cleansing" or "a strong leader strengthening the sterile zone to benefit the West"??
 
Essexyellows said:
So is Erdogan a "ruthless dictator hell bent on ethnic cleansing" or "a strong leader strengthening the sterile zone to benefit the West"??
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Edogan is a ruthless dictator - the treatment of the media in Turkey has been shocking and he's becoming more and more unpopular as times goes on. Horrible man.
 
Gary Baldi said:
Edogan is a ruthless dictator - the treatment of the media in Turkey has been shocking and he's becoming more and more unpopular as times goes on. Horrible man.
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Pete Burrett said:
Erdogan us a genocidal butcher, no doubt. In respect of Syria, Trump will be complicit in that butchery as it 'progresses'. It's almost impossible to keep up with Trump's illogical verbage, but his latest rant about the Kurds not being at Normandy takes his back catalogue to new depths.

Presumably he means the Kurds didn't help the US invade Nazi Europe so why should the US help the Kurds now? Presumably, but who knows?
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He`s been PM since 2003..... on a turn out of 84.67% in 2019 he polled 42.55% ... 18.36 million voted for him...... seems his people prefer him to anyone else.

So............what happens next?
A: We leave him to sort it out.
B: We "do a Saddam" on him.
C: We impose sanctions that hurt those at the bottom most.
 
Essexyellows said:
There is no sentiment in business.

As he said himself....
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As we only see/hear a condensed version of things we can`t pretend to understand what happens in reality.


So is Erdogan a "ruthless dictator hell bent on ethnic cleansing" or "a strong leader strengthening the sterile zone to benefit the West"??
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A ruthless dictator hellbent on ethnic cleansing. Look how he has dealt with the Kurdish population in Turkey.
 
Essexyellows said:
So............what happens next?
A: We leave him to sort it out.
B: We "do a Saddam" on him.
C: We impose sanctions that hurt those at the bottom most.
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Yeah, Article One of the NATO treaty states the member parties (that includes Turkey) will "settle any international disputes in which they may be involved by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered, and to refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force in any manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations."

So actually the US or the UK would be breaking international law to even threaten forceful regime change.

Which is of course a moot point anyway, because Trump seems to rather like Erdogan - more than his own Department of Defense, in fact.
 
tonyw said:
Yeah, Article One of the NATO treaty states the member parties (that includes Turkey) will "settle any international disputes in which they may be involved by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered, and to refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force in any manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations."

So actually the US or the UK would be breaking international law to even threaten forceful regime change.

Which is of course a moot point anyway, because Trump seems to rather like Erdogan - more than his own Department of Defense, in fact.
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Complete the popular saying. "Despots of a feather....."
 
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