So tell me this...

[Oldman159]

If a club goes into administration and is wound up only to reform as 'AFC Whatever' rovers, are contracts between the club being wound up and their suppliers (You know, playing and training facilities etc etc) also written off/null and void allowing the 'new' AFC club to move to pastures new?

Could be worth a points deduction if you were going down anyway....

Just asking.

 

[Northstandboy]

If a club goes into administration and is wound up only to reform as 'AFC Whatever' rovers, are contracts between the club being wound up and their suppliers (You know, playing and training facilities etc etc) also written off/null and void allowing the 'new' AFC club to move to pastures new?

Could be worth a points deduction if you were going down anyway....

Just asking.

I guess so, the "business" would not exist anymore. But you'd end up starting at the bottom of the pyramid.

 

[Blox21]

Starting again would solve some problems !

 

[yellowbow]

What a depressing thread. Are people really contemplating this scenario?

To let this gloomy train of thought continue how will people feel if the following scenario comes to pass?:

In April Erick fails to become anything more than the shadowy peripheral figure he currently is.

In May we get relegated

Then in the summer:

Tigers asks everyone to get behind the team as he feels we will have a great season and win the league

Robinson talks with great gusto about all the exciting players he’s talking to.

NM says the list of potential sites for the stadium situation is now down to two but hasn’t ruled out staying at the Kassam

How much more of this s**t wil people be prepared to stomach? Will everyone find the enthusiasm if things don’t start to change SOMEWHERE soon??

 

[greatunclekip]

People will stomach any amount of shite where the club is concerned. It amazes me the easy ride Tiger and Robbo get from the happy clappers, when i tgink back to the vilification Kemp used to get.

 

[m]

It amazes me the easy ride Tiger and Robbo get from the happy clappers, when i tgink back to the vilification Kemp used to get.

Erm, it's because we were a lot worse. We've already managed 7 points than we did that entire season.

I wouldn't have thought it that difficult to grasp.

 

[Emilio]

I guess so, the "business" would not exist anymore. But you'd end up starting at the bottom of the pyramid.

A pyramid which would take longer to climb back up to our current level than it would take for our current tenancy contract to expire...

I say stick, for now...unless some sockless muppet decides to extend our current deal, or even renegotiate it on worse terms...at which point I would say twist.

 

[unification]

We’ve been at lower ebbs than this. Relegation to League 2 wouldn’t be fatal to the club but it would see so much hard work undone far too easily. That, and you’d only be one further relegation from an abyss I don’t think the club would survive a second time.

You can change the club owner all you want. Whether they’re good, bad or ugly there is a constant that holds this club back - working with FK and StadCo. Unless an owner can rid ourselves of them then this club will always have an albatross around its neck, an atlas stone that stops any form of progression barring a benevolent owner who is willing to creatively bypass FFP rules and chuck millions at the club.

We either buy the Kassam Stadium at a ludicrously inflated price or move to a new stadium which will cost just as much to build and won’t come anytime soon. Rock and a hard place come to mind ...

 

[Yellows1]

We’ve been at lower ebbs than this. Relegation to League 2 wouldn’t be fatal to the club but it would see so much hard work undone far too easily. That, and you’d only be one further relegation from an abyss I don’t think the club would survive a second time.

You can change the club owner all you want. Whether they’re good, bad or ugly there is a constant that holds this club back - working with FK and StadCo. Unless an owner can rid ourselves of them then this club will always have an albatross around its neck, an atlas stone that stops any form of progression barring a benevolent owner who is willing to creatively bypass FFP rules and chuck millions at the club.

We either buy the Kassam Stadium at a ludicrously inflated price or move to a new stadium which will cost just as much to build and won’t come anytime soon. Rock and a hard place come to mind ...

Buying the Kassam will never be an option, it never has and never will, Kassam wants houses end of, like you say if some clown decides to extend our lease then we may as well pack up and go home.....

 

[West Oxon U’s]

You can change the club owner all you want.

Whether they’re good, bad or ugly there is a constant that holds this club back - working with FK and StadCo.

Unless an owner can rid ourselves of them then this club will always have an albatross around its neck, an atlas stone that stops any form of progression barring a benevolent owner who is willing to creatively bypass FFP rules and chuck millions at the club.

In a nutshell and 100 per cent correct.

 

[Banbury2018]

We’ve been at lower ebbs than this. Relegation to League 2 wouldn’t be fatal to the club but it would see so much hard work undone far too easily. That, and you’d only be one further relegation from an abyss I don’t think the club would survive a second time.

You can change the club owner all you want. Whether they’re good, bad or ugly there is a constant that holds this club back - working with FK and StadCo. Unless an owner can rid ourselves of them then this club will always have an albatross around its neck, an atlas stone that stops any form of progression barring a benevolent owner who is willing to creatively bypass FFP rules and chuck millions at the club.

We either buy the Kassam Stadium at a ludicrously inflated price or move to a new stadium which will cost just as much to build and won’t come anytime soon. Rock and a hard place come to mind ...

Buying the Kassam will never be an option, it never has and never will, Kassam wants houses end of, like you say if some clown decides to extend our lease then we may as well pack up and go home.....

These 2posts sum it up really. I said on another thread it is an unfinished soulless ground that we don’t like but at present have little choice than to be at.

 

[Oxymoron]

Buying the Kassam will never be an option, it never has and never will, Kassam wants houses end of, like you say if some clown decides to extend our lease then we may as well pack up and go home.....

If we acquired the stadium, we would, like it or not, be home.

And if the South Oxford Science Village development gets the go ahead (and SODC have now removed the biggest stumbling block), the stadium is integral to those plans, so I'd get the squirty bowties and custard pies on order before the rush..........

 

[Mellowyellow]

What a depressing thread. Are people really contemplating this scenario?

To let this gloomy train of thought continue how will people feel if the following scenario comes to pass?:

In April Erick fails to become anything more than the shadowy peripheral figure he currently is.

In May we get relegated

Then in the summer:

Tigers asks everyone to get behind the team as he feels we will have a great season and win the league

Robinson talks with great gusto about all the exciting players he’s talking to.

NM says the list of potential sites for the stadium situation is now down to two but hasn’t ruled out staying at the Kassam

How much more of this s**t wil people be prepared to stomach? Will everyone find the enthusiasm if things don’t start to change SOMEWHERE soon??

Fantastic post. The problem being, is that there will still be Kr apologists who will sift through his post match drivel to find a crumb of comfort.

This goes on, when in the real world, away from Lala land, we are in a season long relegation fight, with two disastrous transfer windows, when one of the best players was thrown under the bus in his post match interview, Graham.

Surely though coco will not be allowed to try to bring us back up.

 

[yellowbow]

Fantastic post. The problem being, is that there will still be Kr apologists who will sift through his post match drivel to find a crumb of comfort.

This goes on, when in the real world, away from Lala land, we are in a season long relegation fight, with two disastrous transfer windows, when one of the best players was thrown under the bus in his post match interview, Graham.

Surely though coco will not be allowed to try to bring us back up.

As I’ve said before, I can’t see Tiger being here without Robinson. I think he relies to heavily on him in his absence. He’s his ‘wow’ appointment after all.

 

[radicalox]

Fantastic post. The problem being, is that there will still be Kr apologists who will sift through his post match drivel to find a crumb of comfort.

This goes on, when in the real world, away from Lala land, we are in a season long relegation fight, with two disastrous transfer windows, when one of the best players was thrown under the bus in his post match interview, Graham.

Surely though coco will not be allowed to try to bring us back up.

"Kr apologists"
What a truly ridiculous phrase to use.

 

[TailsWeWin]

As I’ve said before, I can’t see Tiger being here without Robinson. I think he relies to heavily on him in his absence. He’s his ‘wow’ appointment after all.

No, he wasn’t his WOW appointment. Tiger wanted the publicity so sought out high profile names that would never want to touch us with a barge pole. McClaren, that Dutch idiot, etc etc. And how Lampard and Gerrard must regret turning us down...

 

[yellowbow]

No, he wasn’t his WOW appointment. Tiger wanted the publicity so sought out high profile names that would never want to touch us with a barge pole. McClaren, that Dutch idiot, etc etc. And how Lampard and Gerrard must regret turning us down...

Genuine question, Is there any real evidence for that though, other than the bookies giving them short odds? I got the feeling the bookies at the time new as little as the rest of us and we’re just going on internet rumours.

 

[TailsWeWin]

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Genuine question, Is there any real evidence for that though, other than the bookies giving them short odds? I got the feeling the bookies at the time new as little as the rest of us and we’re just going on internet rumours.

OK I’ll go with that. But it fits with Tiger’s egotistical but delusional stance. He doesn’t live in the football real world. But perhaps I’m being unfair because I’m p*** ed off with his continued platitudes and treatment of us all as idiots.

 

[Berliner]

Genuine question, Is there any real evidence for that though, other than the bookies giving them short odds? I got the feeling the bookies at the time new as little as the rest of us and we’re just going on internet rumours.

Don't think McClaren and Gerrard went past a casual enquiry (if that), but Lampard was definitely in for an interview and Kluivert was the WOW appointment before he refused to fly here from Spain to be interviewed.

 

[lerekdilley]

Don't think McClaren and Gerrard went past a casual enquiry (if that), but Lampard was definitely in for an interview and Kluivert was the WOW appointment before he refused to fly here from Spain to be interviewed.

Dave Jones confirmed in an interview that Patrick Kluivert was the one Tiger wanted. DJ had already lined up Craig Bellamy but Tiger pulled the plug.

 

[LondonRoader]

We’ve been at lower ebbs than this. Relegation to League 2 wouldn’t be fatal to the club but it would see so much hard work undone far too easily. That, and you’d only be one further relegation from an abyss I don’t think the club would survive a second time.

You can change the club owner all you want. Whether they’re good, bad or ugly there is a constant that holds this club back - working with FK and StadCo. Unless an owner can rid ourselves of them then this club will always have an albatross around its neck, an atlas stone that stops any form of progression barring a benevolent owner who is willing to creatively bypass FFP rules and chuck millions at the club.

We either buy the Kassam Stadium at a ludicrously inflated price or move to a new stadium which will cost just as much to build and won’t come anytime soon. Rock and a hard place come to mind ...

The only people who can afford these options are businessmen who are will to risk their money for the financial rewards, FK has said he won't sell to club owners he's only gave lip service to the community trust route. As for building a new stadium in this fine city of ours, I'm not sure a venue will be found that will accommodate the buyers need for the financial reward they will require for their outlay, or the fans of this club.

There is always the option of getting an owner who can pay the bills, employ the right people to do the right job at the club, get a manager who can take us up the leagues and back him to do so, not the hardest of scenarios to follow. DE had it right when he started Mash, Mapp, Faz and started to move us in the right direction, if it wasn't for an unfortunate "falling out" with Mash and the subsequent then realisation of his financial position had changed, we might still of been on track. He then put together an exit strategy that tried to recoup his outlay but left the next owner with many issues to pick up.

We pay FK circ £300k a year rent, the rest is the service charge, even if we owned the stadium we would still have a service charge to pay, it might be slightly less as we would be running the behind the behind the scenes stuff, but all the associated ground stuff would be approx the same.

Rent and service charge, £800k per annum.
Buy the ground (£10m-£12m), pay the financing of this, service charge.
Buy a new ground (£40m), pay the financing of this, service charge.

At the moment I think we know what the club debt level is, when you start buying or building a ground where will that debt end up?

 

[Oufcrealist]

Don't think McClaren and Gerrard went past a casual enquiry (if that), but Lampard was definitely in for an interview and Kluivert was the WOW appointment before he refused to fly here from Spain to be interviewed.

Lampard was interviewed for the job by DE when MApp left. Clotet got the job!!

 

[headingtonoldboy]

Pardon me for being thick, but if Kassam wanted to build houses on the stadium land then why didn't he do it in the first place. I am an exile so am not really up to speed on this issue.

 

[Banbury2018]

Pardon me for being thick, but if Kassam wanted to build houses on the stadium land then why didn't he do it in the first place. I am an exile so am not really up to speed on this issue.

He had to have the football ground there to get permission to do anything else such as ozone hotels etc.

 

[NottsYellow]

Pardon me for being thick, but if Kassam wanted to build houses on the stadium land then why didn't he do it in the first place. I am an exile so am not really up to speed on this issue.

When he first got involved the ground was already half built and the contractors were owed a significant amount of money (approx. £5M - Not sure of actual figure). FK offered 10p ish in £1 to them. So the first half of the stadium only cost him 10%. The second half of the build (well to complete 75% of the planned stadium) he financed by the profit he made on buying the Manor (£6M ish?) from OUFC and selling on at £12Mish. So the ground didn't really cost him anything and by "finishing off" (that term is used loosely) the stadium the council gave him planning permission for cinema etc.

 

[Banbury2018]

When he first got involved the ground was already half built and the contractors were owed a significant amount of money (approx. £5M - Not sure of actual figure). FK offered 10p ish in £1 to them. So the first half of the stadium only cost him 10%. The second half of the build (well to complete 75% of the planned stadium) he financed by the profit he made on buying the Manor (£6M ish?) from OUFC and selling on at £12Mish. So the ground didn't really cost him anything and by "finishing off" (that term is used loosely) the stadium the council gave him planning permission for cinema etc.

Not forgetting all the grants as well.

 

[SwissYellow]

The land was not fit for habitation, or at least it wasnt due to it being used for Thames Water waste disposal mid 20th century.

 

[Witneyoldfella]

At least Bellamy might have bullied some of the underperforming players and got a tune out of the team........or would he?????

 

[Junior_1]

Dave Jones confirmed in an interview that Patrick Kluivert was the one Tiger wanted. DJ had already lined up Craig Bellamy but Tiger pulled the plug.

This is very true and despite the (wrong) media stories. Kluivert did have at least one face to face meeting with Tiger and Zachi(so)

How do I know? Because i witnessed it at first hand.