League Cup Pathetic and childish again

My oh my, they really are a right bunch of personalities aren't they? A bunch of wallies managed by a Wally.
 
Yet we paragons of virtue insist on calling our rivals ‘scum’ and unveil an enormous banner with the debowelling of their mascot by ours. I’m in favour of both of these btw but aren’t we throwing stones from our transparent abode here?

And whatever you say about the scum, I think AFCW have a bigger axe to grind with MK given the events of the past 20 years.
 
Yet we paragons of virtue insist on calling our rivals ‘scum’ and unveil an enormous banner with the debowelling of their mascot by ours. I’m in favour of both of these btw but aren’t we throwing stones from our transparent abode here?

And whatever you say about the scum, I think AFCW have a bigger axe to grind with MK given the events of the past 20 years.
We did that. Us. The fan base. The club are professional and friendly to our neighbours, as they should be. AFC Wimbledon are doing this as a club, something OUFC, or any other club, wouldn't do.

I'm surprised you can even compare the 2 as they are vastly different things.
 
If it grinds them then let them do it, its how rivalry's are built.
Stuff "professional & friendly" MK are a shell of a Club that "played by the rules" at the time to buy a league space and have found their natural level.
And maybe the scoreboard was broken and there was an economic decision not to print programmes.... ?
 
We did that. Us. The fan base. The club are professional and friendly to our neighbours, as they should be. AFC Wimbledon are doing this as a club, something OUFC, or any other club, wouldn't do.

I'm surprised you can even compare the 2 as they are vastly different things.
I’m sure the club had to sanction the displaying of the enormous banner. That’s them with us, the fan base.
 
AFC forget that they failed to support their club in the first place. Rubbish crowds meant they couldn’t afford to redevelop Plough Lane so they had ground shared at Palace. Their local council wouldn’t help so they were forced to sell up. Along come Milton Keynes with a large populace and pick up the reins. If anyone has a gripe about that, it should be with the league, the old owners and Merton council, not MK.
MK Dons have been a club for 15 years, so there are adults out there who have been supporting the club since being kids. They have a fan base. They have a magnificent stadium and get larger crowds than the old Wimbledon did. A visit to their place is very enjoyable.
I actually think it’s time for MK to drop the “Dons”. They get crap from AFC, so remove any last memories of them in the bin. MK City, MK Rovers, MK Rangers etc.
AFC should also be warned, that one more churlish act and they will be fined for unsportsmanlike behaviour. We’ve seen plenty of that from the thugs on the pitch.
 
I’m sure the club had to sanction the displaying of the enormous banner. That’s them with us, the fan base.
It's just not the same thing at all. Now if the scoreboard had called them 'S*****n' or similar, then you'd have a point.

Having given you my opinion on that, you do raise an interesting thought. One for one of the Ultras, did the club have much contact with you with regards banner designs? Were there any discussions with regards the Swindon one in particular? Any ideas get turned down? I would suggest that if the banners were from an "official" club group instead of an independent fans collective then that particular design wouldn't have made it through...
 
AFC forget that they failed to support their club in the first place. Rubbish crowds meant they couldn’t afford to redevelop Plough Lane so they had ground shared at Palace. Their local council wouldn’t help so they were forced to sell up. Along come Milton Keynes with a large populace and pick up the reins. If anyone has a gripe about that, it should be with the league, the old owners and Merton council, not MK.
MK Dons have been a club for 15 years, so there are adults out there who have been supporting the club since being kids. They have a fan base. They have a magnificent stadium and get larger crowds than the old Wimbledon did. A visit to their place is very enjoyable.
I actually think it’s time for MK to drop the “Dons”. They get crap from AFC, so remove any last memories of them in the bin. MK City, MK Rovers, MK Rangers etc.
AFC should also be warned, that one more churlish act and they will be fined for unsportsmanlike behaviour. We’ve seen plenty of that from the thugs on the pitch.
MK Franchise would reflect their short history best ... IMO ;)
 
I know a few Wimbledon fans and what they feel for MK Dons goes way beyond rivalry. It's proper hatred. They're not letting it go any time soon, though they definitely should. If MK dropped the 'Dons', that would go a long way to reducing the hate, so I'm told.

On another note, why do we have to refer to them as 'AFC' Wimbledon these days? There's no confusion over who they are or that it's a reformed club. No one says AFC Bournemouth. It annoys me more than it should.
 
Winkelman cares very little about that. MK Dons ticket sales are a small part of his income. He owns the neighbouring cinema / restaurant complex and MK1 shopping park, Hilton DoubleTree pay rent for their hotel built into the stadium, and miscellaneous concerts, rugby matches and conventions add to his pocket.

I've been to a lot of meetings and functions at the stadium and stayed in the hotel a few times. It's a very good venue that shows how that model can work. Definitely what our owners should be looking at (and I'm sure they are).
 
I know a few Wimbledon fans and what they feel for MK Dons goes way beyond rivalry. It's proper hatred. They're not letting it go any time soon, though they definitely should. If MK dropped the 'Dons', that would go a long way to reducing the hate, so I'm told.

On another note, why do we have to refer to them as 'AFC' Wimbledon these days? There's no confusion over who they are or that it's a reformed club. No one says AFC Bournemouth. It annoys me more than it should.

Old folk still use AFC..... ? ? ............. Sunderland, Bournemouth, Wimbledon.....
 
I've been to a lot of meetings and functions at the stadium and stayed in the hotel a few times. It's a very good venue that shows how that model can work. Definitely what our owners should be looking at (and I'm sure they are).

I was lucky enough to get comp tickets to the last league game (thanks Karl!) and it’s an unbelievable setup they have going on
. It’s very well run as well and they have done very we employing within the local community. It’s obvious to most that MK are everyone’s second team in MK bit as an area and residing close to it, I personally think it’s got a lot going g for it and the local councils certainly invest and put good amounts of money into various schemes for the locals.

As for AFC Wimbledon. No time for them whatsoever these days. Back in the day yes, but now, no. They are childish, petulant and hypocrites.
 
On another note, why do we have to refer to them as 'AFC' Wimbledon these days? There's no confusion over who they are or that it's a reformed club. No one says AFC Bournemouth. It annoys me more than it should.
Technically they are a different club. Wimbledon F.C were officially dissolved in 2004 and became the MK Dons. It's no different to teams folding and becoming 'phoenix clubs' e.g. Aldershot become Aldershot Town, Chester City become Chester F.C. etc
 
Technically they are a different club. Wimbledon F.C were officially dissolved in 2004 and became the MK Dons. It's no different to teams folding and becoming 'phoenix clubs' e.g. Aldershot become Aldershot Town, Chester City become Chester F.C. etc

I know that. I'm just saying what's the point in actually saying the AFC bit? Wimbledon suffices.
 
AFC forget that they failed to support their club in the first place. Rubbish crowds meant they couldn’t afford to redevelop Plough Lane so they had ground shared at Palace. Their local council wouldn’t help so they were forced to sell up. Along come Milton Keynes with a large populace and pick up the reins. If anyone has a gripe about that, it should be with the league, the old owners and Merton council, not MK.
MK Dons have been a club for 15 years, so there are adults out there who have been supporting the club since being kids. They have a fan base. They have a magnificent stadium and get larger crowds than the old Wimbledon did. A visit to their place is very enjoyable.
I actually think it’s time for MK to drop the “Dons”. They get crap from AFC, so remove any last memories of them in the bin. MK City, MK Rovers, MK Rangers etc.
AFC should also be warned, that one more churlish act and they will be fined for unsportsmanlike behaviour. We’ve seen plenty of that from the thugs on the pitch.
Good post, and that pretty much sums it up. If Wimbledon had more bums on seats, then Pete Winkleman wouldn't have felt the need to relocate the club.

Don't get me wrong, I sympathised with their plight at the time, and it was good to see AFC Wimbledon start up again and quickly ascend through the divisions, and I am delighted they have got back to where they belong in the football league. However, this pettiness at club is rather pathetic - you don't get Manchester United having 'problems with their scoreboard' when Man City or Liverpool come to town, and you don't get Celtic or Rangers failing to print match programmes for Old Firm derbies.

They really need to let it go - by all means have a healthy rivalry with the chants of 'Where were you, when you were us?' but they really aren't doing themselves any favours.
 
If Wimbledon had more bums on seats, then Pete Winkleman wouldn't have felt the need to relocate the club
Sorry, I'll never accept that for justification for what happened. If you want a team in a particular place, you build one up. You don't steal another club and take their place, and in doing so give a big slap in the face to clubs working hard in the conference the right way to get into the league . So what if Wimbledon weren't getting big crowds? They would have sunk back down the pyramid, or gone bust. That's natural selection in football.

Although I do agree AFCW are being very childish now and should take the higher ground and move on.
 
A good summary, particularly the bit about 'Wimbledon' always having poor support, both historically and now. I remember their famous win against Liverpool in the FA Cup Final. Wimbledon had the usual 30,000-ish allocation at Wembley but only a few thousand of their fans were present (exact numbers not recorded), the rest of the tickets 'disappearing' into the hands of Reds.

That said, the MK football project has stalled recently. I lived there for 20+ years, watching the whole thing develop from the 5,500 capacity National Hockey Stadium to the super modern stadium:mk. Official crowds average around 10,000, but bums on seats are probably half that. Many tickets sold very cheaply or given away to local children.

Winkelman's idea was for children whose parents followed Arsenal/Liverpool/Man Utd etc to grow up watching the Dons, and for a while it succeeded. Lots of kids in Dons kit around the shopping centre and parents prepared to take them to watch football in a safe, comfortable environment. But those numbers have dropped off and future support is not guaranteed.

Winkelman cares very little about that. MK Dons ticket sales are a small part of his income. He owns the neighbouring cinema / restaurant complex and MK1 shopping park, Hilton DoubleTree pay rent for their hotel built into the stadium, and miscellaneous concerts, rugby matches and conventions add to his pocket.
I hate the ground. It is designed for the Premiershi* where it would be full of plastic supporters eating their prawn sandwiches.
I do go but really dont know why when we play them away
 
Sorry, I'll never accept that for justification for what happened. If you want a team in a particular place, you build one up. You don't steal another club and take their place, and in doing so give a big slap in the face to clubs working hard in the conference the right way to get into the league . So what if Wimbledon weren't getting big crowds? They would have sunk back down the pyramid, or gone bust. That's natural selection in football.

Although I do agree AFCW are being very childish now and should take the higher ground and move on.
I always thought Wimbledon held the moral high ground but the more this goes on there isn’t any especially having affectively evicted Kingstonian from their long term home ground. The booing of any past MK people is pathetic. Whilst I don’t like Winkleman or the way things were done Wimbledon were in massive trouble with very small crowds and maybe should’ve been let die which isn’t something I want for any club. There was already a club in MK and that should’ve been the way Winkleman did things but that would’ve required more time and work so the easy option was taken.
 
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If Wimbledon had more bums on seats, then Pete Winkleman wouldn't have felt the need to relocate the club.

I'm not up to speed with the MK story, but by PW moving the club away from it's spiritual home then building a ground and retail park around it, was he being an entrepreneur to make money out of the exercise, now isn't there parallels with our owners and the suggested relocation of our club?
 
I'm not up to speed with the MK story, but by PW moving the club away from it's spiritual home then building a ground and retail park around it, was he being an entrepreneur to make money out of the exercise, now isn't there parallels with our owners and the suggested relocation of our club?

Rather depends on whether we're relocated 60 miles away.
 
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