chuckbert
Well-known member
- Joined
- 8 Dec 2017
- Messages
- 6,851
I agree, but probably for different reasons.We are soft in this country.
I agree, but probably for different reasons.We are soft in this country.
Decent words. And for those who think we're 'too soft' or want would be immigrants to go anywhere but here, let's examine just who 'we' are. Most sensible people will understand that 'we' were all immigrants at some stage in this country's history. The fact that a person can trace their family back a few generations within the UK doesn't alter that.How desperate would you be to leave everything behind, treck thousands of miles, beg borrow and steal to eat and clothe yourself, and sell your very future to a gang master to get you across the busiest stretch of water in a tiny dinghy to try and make life better.
Thank God it’s not me having to do that.
Does it make it worse or better that none of them are white?
Most illegal immigrants are travelling from Syria, Iraq, Iran Afghanistan..... places we have activity bombed or squeezed the life out of in the last few years. These are people who were crapped on by their leaders and crapped on by their Saviours/invaders. When they come to our door and say “you bombed the crap out of my house you owe me” we call them migrants and terrorists......
Shame on us
Certainly an issue to be considered, but once immigrants get here - whether they should perhaps have settled in Greece or France or wherever on their way here - it's our responsibility to treat them fairly within set legal parameters.Agreed
Why the UK specifically though? There are plenty of safe havens between here and there?
And it’s the finite resources of local authorities in particular that are being used to fund the migrants after they arrive, causing friction with local communities who see that funding diverted from local priorities to fund the migrants. That has a knock on effect to local partnership priorities as well, all of whom are striving to achieve performance targets.Certainly an issue to be considered, but once immigrants get here - whether they should perhaps have settled in Greece or France or wherever on their way here - it's our responsibility to treat them fairly within set legal parameters.
If you're referring to the Nigerians who we are led to believe not only stowed away but threatened the crew and attempted to take over the ship, then I would agree we don't need them here. Legally though If they have committed such a crime then they have to be prosecuted here not in Nigeria. Your last sentence though suggests that you don't want any immigrants or refugees here at all. The fact is we do. We need their skills at all levels and after Brexit the proposed points system will hopefully provide the right regulation. As for refugees escaping persecution and worse, we need to make a greater humanitarian effort than we do. This Country became great in large measure by the efforts of those who have migrated here over hundreds of years and giving people a safe haven from mortal danger is what a nation like ours has a moral obligation to do. If we don't, it diminishes us. I know if I had been unfortunate enough to have been born into abject poverty with a severe lack of the basics, little education and continuing threats of war and violence, I would have done everything I could to get away and find a better life. I suspect you would have too.We don’t need them here, they should be returned home on the next available flight to Lagos or Abuja. and be greeted by the Nigerian police. Then they can deal with the matter. Not our problem and responsibility. The country is already overcrowded and needs reducing more than anything.
Actually, party politics has nothing to do with it. Yes, you have a different opinion to me and you're entitled to it. Where have I called you racist and discriminatory? Surely the whole point of a forum like this to say what we think without descending inot personal insults.Oh dear , You political left people don’t like it when someone has an opinion different to yours do you?
Because people have a difference in opinion there racist and discriminate against anyone that don’t look like us. Whatever that’s supposed to mean. We are all the same human beings, but I’m suggesting they go somewhere else they can thrive and live a luxurious life. Italy is nice Spain is quite nice too. Lots of work in Germany!
We are a small Island that is overcrowded, and we don’t need to have people coming from here there everywhere. Unless they have a trade or skills that we desire. We don’t need refugees to flee and come here. They travel through so many countries to get here. So why not rock up in Hungary and Poland. You know why because the poles, and Hungarians tell them to f**k off. They don’t accept them so why should we! You look at all these refugees. There all men! Where are the wives and children, oh there left behind in the middle of gunfire. Also show up on tv adverts, where we must donate money to help. f**k that!
So yes I have a difference in opinion, and that’s all it is.
Well theoretically yes, but we are beginning to see an erosion of that concept via cancel culture, demonitisation and deplatforming. Add to that online harassment and ambiguous hate speech laws, and you have to start wondering whether we really do live in that kind of country.Isn’t it great that we live in a country where I am allowed to have a different opinion to you.
Suggest you take a look at the figures for asylum seekers in all of the countries you mention and compare them to the uk......
Who is the arbiter of "informed" status, though?Anyone's entitled to an opinion. It helps if it's an informed opinion though.
Actually, party politics has nothing to do with it. Yes, you have a different opinion to me and you're entitled to it. Where have I called you racist and discriminatory? Surely the whole point of a forum like this to say what we think without descending inot personal insults.
bazzerWho is the arbiter of "informed" status, though?