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So all these migrants nipping across the Channel in various dinghies etc as featured on the BBC news...........
1. They are leaving a safe country. Last time I checked France was "safe" barring Covid issues.
2. They have travelled through several safe countries.
3. They, generically, have no documents so we can`t check them in any way shape or form.
4. They are entering illegally.

There are proper, legitimate and legal routes they could take and would be welcomed, we are a country of migrants after all.

So why are we not just detaining them, as they are entering illegally without documentation, then loading them onto a ferry and shipping them back to France?

Discuss.
 
It can take upto 6 months to process a request for asylum. Also our relationship with France is fairly important so pissing them off might not be a good idea.
 
People stupidly believe a life in the U.K. is better than Europe. Fair play to us!! We’ve absolutely outsold ourselves!!!

I am interested in the route they travel, my wife’s family are from a small French village on the French/Italian border. Whenever I drive into Italy my car is checked when I cross the border (this is in the mountains). When I cycle out there and come back through Italy into France I used to quite often pass a lot of African (I assume Eritrean) migrants who would walk to the border and then be refused entry.

Maybe they should do a campaign where they recruit a load of people who have lived in better countries than this one to deter them?!
 
ZeroTheHero said:
As far as I am aware, illegal immigrants have to be repatriated to their original country - not the last one they passed through on the way.

Also discuss how easy it will be to send them back to France once we are no longer anything to do with the EU?
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It’s not easy now, in fact almost impossible, unless caught in French international waters.
Also France clearly make it clear that these people aware not welcome in France.
Strange when the French have a far more generous welfare state.
 
Whingit said:
It can take upto 6 months to process a request for asylum. Also our relationship with France is fairly important so pissing them off might not be a good idea.
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So they could, theoretically, begin the application process in France as there is a legal & legitimate method.
They chose not to so travel & arrive illegally.
If a firmer line was taken with batting them back then the message may get through.
By all means migrate for whatever reason but do so legitimately.
 
It's been going on for months and outside of Farage getting into trouble for going to Dover, the Govt have just let it happen and there has been little media outcry until this week. The stable door has been left open and we've effectively let the French navy escort them over the channel.

What are we paying the French £14m for?
 
Gary Baldi said:
It's been going on for months and outside of Farage getting into trouble for going to Dover, the Govt have just let it happen and there has been little media outcry until this week. The stable door has been left open and we've effectively let the French navy escort them over the channel.

What are we paying the French £14m for?
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they've not gotten over Agincourt them French ! :sneaky:
 
Just saying......................

www.bbc.co.uk

Ascension Island: Priti Patel considered outpost for UK asylum centre location

The idea of "offshoring" people claiming asylum is dependent on a suitable location, a source said.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

Just a note that even I think this is draconian and inhumane, especially when the illegal migrants can very easily be returned to the European mainland from whence they came.
 
Big boats as well.........
www.bbc.co.uk

Tanker stowaways: Seven men arrested over ship's ‘hijacking’

The stowaways had posed "a clear threat to life on the ship", the Defence Secretary says.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

So the crew knew they were there but carried on until they reached the destination of most gullibilty.
One assumes, having committed piracy they will be returned to their country of origin forthwith?
 
Essexyellows said:
Big boats as well.........
www.bbc.co.uk

Tanker stowaways: Seven men arrested over ship's ‘hijacking’

The stowaways had posed "a clear threat to life on the ship", the Defence Secretary says.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

So the crew knew they were there but carried on until they reached the destination of most gullibilty.
One assumes, having committed piracy they will be returned to their country of origin forthwith?
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Not before they have suffered the full might of the legal system and been tried for their actions!

Then sent to a nice warm prison with 3 meals a day, TV, library, plenty of exercise and opportunities to learn how to claim benefits and free housing. Or, they can be sent home, should they wish.
 
Manorlounger said:
Not before they have suffered the full might of the legal system and been tried for their actions!

Then sent to a nice warm prison with 3 meals a day, TV, library, plenty of exercise and opportunities to learn how to claim benefits and free housing. Or, they can be sent home, should they wish.
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Or they could await bail before disappearing into the modern slavery network. Which is sad. If we were harder on people taking unofficial migration routes (by sentencing and deporting properly) there would be less suffering at the lower end of society, and fewer people risking their lives to make the journey.
 
How desperate would you be to leave everything behind, treck thousands of miles, beg borrow and steal to eat and clothe yourself, and sell your very future to a gang master to get you across the busiest stretch of water in a tiny dinghy to try and make life better.

Thank God it’s not me having to do that.

Does it make it worse or better that none of them are white?

Most illegal immigrants are travelling from Syria, Iraq, Iran Afghanistan..... places we have activity bombed or squeezed the life out of in the last few years. These are people who were crapped on by their leaders and crapped on by their Saviours/invaders. When they come to our door and say “you bombed the crap out of my house you owe me” we call them migrants and terrorists......

Shame on us
 
Marston Road yellow said:
How desperate would you be to leave everything behind, treck thousands of miles, beg borrow and steal to eat and clothe yourself, and sell your very future to a gang master to get you across the busiest stretch of water in a tiny dinghy to try and make life better.

Thank God it’s not me having to do that.

Does it make it worse or better that none of them are white?

Most illegal immigrants are travelling from Syria, Iraq, Iran Afghanistan..... places we have activity bombed or squeezed the life out of in the last few years. These are people who were crapped on by their leaders and crapped on by their Saviours/invaders. When they come to our door and say “you bombed the crap out of my house you owe me” we call them migrants and terrorists......

Shame on us
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Decent words. And for those who think we're 'too soft' or want would be immigrants to go anywhere but here, let's examine just who 'we' are. Most sensible people will understand that 'we' were all immigrants at some stage in this country's history. The fact that a person can trace their family back a few generations within the UK doesn't alter that.

I'm not in favour of a 'free for all' everyone welcome to this country under any circumstances, but compassion towards immigrants when they first arrive here should be a given. Does any sensible person really believe the mantra that all immigrants will eventually automatically be given housing / benefits / jobs? Most of those who have no justifiable reason to be here will be repatriated, usually after a long stay in a less than welcoming detention centre.
 
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Jerome'SAle said:
Agreed

Why the UK specifically though? There are plenty of safe havens between here and there?
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Certainly an issue to be considered, but once immigrants get here - whether they should perhaps have settled in Greece or France or wherever on their way here - it's our responsibility to treat them fairly within set legal parameters.
 
Pete Burrett said:
Certainly an issue to be considered, but once immigrants get here - whether they should perhaps have settled in Greece or France or wherever on their way here - it's our responsibility to treat them fairly within set legal parameters.
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And it’s the finite resources of local authorities in particular that are being used to fund the migrants after they arrive, causing friction with local communities who see that funding diverted from local priorities to fund the migrants. That has a knock on effect to local partnership priorities as well, all of whom are striving to achieve performance targets.
No easy answers.
 
why would anyone go anywhere...... I always thought New Zealand looks like a thoroughly nice place but I don’t fancy Australia... you speak a bit of English and no french...... you know someone who told you that you can get a job........ who knows.

The thing is this. They are human beings and should be treated with respect. Like our children and school meals., this isn’t a choice it’s a duty......
 
We don’t need them here, they should be returned home on the next available flight to Lagos or Abuja. and be greeted by the Nigerian police. Then they can deal with the matter. Not our problem and responsibility. The country is already overcrowded and needs reducing more than anything.
 
I think language and history have a lot to do with it, particularly in choosing the UK over other European countries. Many migrants come from countries which Britain formerly ruled and which are now members of the Commonwealth and I would guess that most learn English or are from English speaking countries. Now I love France and am currently trying to improve my French. In may ways it has a better way of life; a better climate and, has been mentioned, better health care. Yet, our history and our past probably oversells us.
 
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