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[sideshowrob]

Indeed. Plus, with park and ride, you help to get around the zero parking available which is an important solution to those of us who travel in from the wider county but don’t have regular bus services.

You say zero parking but as I pointed out in my previous post, the largest car park in the city centre is right next door lying half empty. It would take a little imagination and flexilbilty to make a deal on this. It may aslo be owned by the same landowner for the development site, namely London and Continental Railways.
It is also worth baring in mind that The City of Oxford College accross the road have also been seeking a developer for most of their site for many years now.

 

[bazzer9461]

Shotover Estates own a lot of land in that area

So do the colleges

 

[MJB]

You say zero parking but as I pointed out in my previous post, the largest car park in the city centre is right next door lying half empty. It would take a little imagination and flexilbilty to make a deal on this. It may aslo be owned by the same landowner for the development site, namely London and Continental Railways.
It is also worth baring in mind that The City of Oxford College accross the road have also been seeking a developer for most of their site for many years now.

Not sure which car park you’re referring to. How many spaces?

 

[Golden Dr Otto]

Indeed. Plus, with park and ride, you help to get around the zero parking available which is an important solution to those of us who travel in from the wider county but don’t have regular bus services.

If you were trying to sell this oxpens site to the council then you’d have to go on a few pillars I think:

1. Massive reduction of impact on the environment. Approximately 100,000 car journeys removed per annum as a result of relocating to central hub with rail, bus, cycling, pedestrian (even river!) and p&r facilities already integrated.

2. Huge increase in footfall for central oxford restaurant, leisure and shopping facilities creating vibrant increase in a quieter side of town

3. Regeneration of part of the city that has been neglected for decades, and that as a multi purpose venue could fulfill a part Oxford that has been strangely missing for a long time. Ice skating (stars new stadium), rockwalls, etc.

4. Fan management - away fans could be much more easily managed between station and stadium and the venue would attract a significant increase id imagine as a prime day out which is logistically way better than before. Away Fans would be more likely to combine their trip as a tourist destination.

5. From oxford perspective the Match day experience would be hugely improved, and far more casual attendance would occur last minute.

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6. Plus the current mongrel ground could be turned into housing to help achieve targets without hitting green belt

 

[Scotchegg]

If you were trying to sell this oxpens site to the council then you’d have to go on a few pillars I think:

1. Massive reduction of impact on the environment. Approximately 100,000 car journeys removed per annum as a result of relocating to central hub with rail, bus, cycling, pedestrian (even river!) and p&r facilities already integrated.

2. Huge increase in footfall for central oxford restaurant, leisure and shopping facilities creating vibrant increase in a quieter side of town

3. Regeneration of part of the city that has been neglected for decades, and that as a multi purpose venue could fulfill a part Oxford that has been strangely missing for a long time. Ice skating (stars new stadium), rockwalls, etc.

4. Fan management - away fans could be much more easily managed between station and stadium and the venue would attract a significant increase id imagine as a prime day out which is logistically way better than before. Away Fans would be more likely to combine their trip as a tourist destination.

5. From oxford perspective the Match day experience would be hugely improved, and far more casual attendance would occur last minute.

All very good points, and would all help eclipse the £2m or so that the Kassam pulls in each year. Food and drinking outlets and retail units will help bring in money 7 days a week plus a hotel will be in prime location. This could be a major win for the city and the club, and hopefully we will soon have the money mem to make this happen.

 

[Grumpy Git]

Getting in and out of Oxford City Centre will be a bloody nightmare if this went ahead. If most people use the park and ride, if for instance we had 7,000 fans, that is over 100 buses required. Plus normal shoppers.
Water Eaton.

 

[Deleted member 222]

Getting in and out of Oxford City Centre will be a bloody nightmare if this went ahead. If most people use the park and ride, if for instance we had 7,000 fans, that is over 100 buses required. Plus normal shoppers.
Water Eaton.

Do you not remember the Manor? There was no train station near by, street parking only but not near the ground so fans relied on bus services.
I remember my dad parking a good mile or so away from the manor before a game.

A city centre stadium would be perfect imo.

 

[RyanioBirdio]

Getting in and out of Oxford City Centre will be a bloody nightmare if this went ahead. If most people use the park and ride, if for instance we had 7,000 fans, that is over 100 buses required. Plus normal shoppers.
Water Eaton.

And yet other major cities manage just fine with crowds several times the size of what ours would be, with central town/city locations and with no more public transport options than we would have. To assume that all 7,000 people would be using the park and ride is far fetched. Some would drive and park, some would use the train, some would walk, some would use existing bus routes etc.

To think that a major city like Oxford couldn’t cope with 7,000 football fans once a fortnight is nonsense.

 

[Marked Ox]

Do you not remember the Manor? There was no train station near by, street parking only but not near the ground so fans relied on bus services.
I remember my dad parking a good mile or so away from the manor before a game.

A city centre stadium would be perfect imo.

Headington didn't have football fans competing for park & ride parking/buses with shoppers.

 

[Fred]

My priority is a stable Oxford United in a decent stadium, transport is not important to me!

 

[Golden Dr Otto]

Most traffic on public transport would be absorbed into current bus routes. People from east, west, south and north oxford aren’t going to suddenly drive to the park and ride. They’ll just get on their local bus. Bicester will be very well served by the stations as will didcot and banbury

 

[daveoufc]

And yet other major cities manage just fine with crowds several times the size of what ours would be, with central town/city locations and with no more public transport options than we would have. To assume that all 7,000 people would be using the park and ride is far fetched. Some would drive and park, some would use the train, some would walk, some would use existing bus routes etc.

To think that a major city like Oxford couldn’t cope with 7,000 football fans once a fortnight is nonsense.

Well quite on the busiest day in feb 2017 147,000 people were thought to of visited the city centre. And the 2011 census estimates 88,000 people work in the city each day so im sure it will fine

 

[Scotchegg]

Getting in and out of Oxford City Centre will be a bloody nightmare if this went ahead. If most people use the park and ride, if for instance we had 7,000 fans, that is over 100 buses required. Plus normal shoppers.
Water Eaton.

Many existing bus and train services already run from all over the county. People will have far more options around them to travel hours before or after the game so it is unlikely 7000 will be arriving or leaving on the same buses at the same time.

 

[Jerome'SAle]

Getting in and out of Oxford City Centre will be a bloody nightmare if this went ahead. If most people use the park and ride, if for instance we had 7,000 fans, that is over 100 buses required. Plus normal shoppers.
Water Eaton.

I don't follow the logic

Your concerned about transport links for a site close to 4 park and ride drop off points, many bus routes, a major train station, and several car park and your solution is a site with a fraction of those transport links in the middle of nowhere?

This site won't happen because the site is too well located and therefore expensive, not because of transport.

 

[yellowbow]

Many existing bus and train services already run from all over the county. People will have far more options around them to travel hours before or after the game so it is unlikely 7000 will be arriving or leaving on the same buses at the same time.

Exactly. I live in Witney, there’s buses every 10 -15 minutes into the west end of Oxford.

 

[Banbury2018]

Most traffic on public transport would be absorbed into current bus routes. People from east, west, south and north oxford aren’t going to suddenly drive to the park and ride. They’ll just get on their local bus. Bicester will be very well served by the stations as will didcot and banbury

16 -25 minutes on the regular train service for me as probably a lot of Didcot or Bicester people, also cheaper than car or car then park and ride. I might spend a bit more on lager ?though.?

 

[yellowbow]

Incidentally I wonder if the fans will ever be canvassed for there preferred location? Assuming the sites are ever revealed that is..

 

[uptheus]

All very good points, and would all help eclipse the £2m or so that the Kassam pulls in each year. Food and drinking outlets and retail units will help bring in money 7 days a week plus a hotel will be in prime location. This could be a major win for the city and the club, and hopefully we will soon have the money mem to make this happen.

A Mr Kassam said he needed all these additional revenues streams to help a football club survive, but when he was asked about funding the club once he’d completed his empire he said he’d borrowed the money and that he couldn’t fund the club until these debts had been cleared!!

 

[Navegante]

A Mr Kassam said he needed all these additional revenues streams to help a football club survive, but when he was asked about funding the club once he’d completed his empire he said he’d borrowed the money and that he couldn’t find the club until these debts had been cleared!!

And if you think revenue from commercial opportunities incorporated to any new stadium development will flow into the club coffers (rather than to our new board members) kindly PM me - good news! You've won the Nigerian lotto and I just need your bank account & sort code to transfer the monies!

 

[Scotchegg]

External revenue may not go directly in to the club, but it could allow the club to pay a minimal rent (DC United pay $1 a year) as well as being able to pick up all match related revenue. That could immediately make us around £1m a year better off. The idea that anyone will gift the club all the associated revenue on top of a brand new stadium is ridiculous, but that doesn't mean that we won't get a much better deal than we currently have.