Transfer News 2022/23 Season Incoming Transfers and a few other things

[ChamonixOx]

You only ever saw Henry as a good squad player? Even when he was getting double figures for goals and assists just two years back?

I would say Baldock as an injury prone bench striker is a major upgrade on Winnall as an injury prone bench striker.
Sam Long as our backup RB (if we manage to bring a first team option before the deadline) is an improvement on Jamie Hanson or Fordey last year.
And James Henry is very much still a quality option as a squad player against the right opposition. To call him a weaker member of our current squad shows that our current squad is only weak when we're talking about depth of options.

A couple of points here. Firstly, two seasons ago, you changed your argument; you referenced last season in your original post (take a look), which is what I replied to! Secondly, these three players we had already. Therefore, they are not upgrades (Baldock's contract renewed) or replacements. Do we have Long now as backup?

I am not questioning releasing Forde, Winnall, or Hanson, but that is irrelevant to your earlier point!

 

[Golden Dr Otto]

That is a really fair point. By the same measure could the same rule apply to others here who are regurgitating unfounded allegations about KR’s allegedly corrupt behaviour with agents and Robbie Fowler, the futures of young players they have never seen, the inner motivation of Seddon and the fitness of Murphy etc etc. All of which might be better assessed by “professionals” than by keyboard warriors here who may - or may not - be suffering from some clinically diagnosable condition.

Stop. Just stop.

Absolutely not the right forum or year to be using mental health as a point scoring exercise against fellow forum users.

If you truly believe someone is suffering from a mental health issue then please private message them and offer them support. Don’t try and embarrass them or humiliate them through
posts.

However in reality I don’t believe you actually think this. I think you’re just being a bit nasty.

 

[Mellowyellow]

If there is a “Robinson Out Club”, I wonder what would be the rules?

You might need to demonstrate a belief that Mossad was responsible for 9/11 or that Hillary Clinton runs a paedophile ring from a pizzeria. Or just show you can regurgitate the one about the manager who, despite some flaws, has taken us to our three best finishes this century is in fact either corrupt or an idiot or both.

I fear that rather than existing as a “club” there are some possibly damaged individuals on this forum who seek to infect others with their deeply negative view of the world and some clearly paranoid conspiracy theories about what’s happening at the football club - yes, that is a club - which they endlessly repeat as fact without any effort to check their veracity.

For what it’s worth, I did check one of their rumours this week about Robbie Fowler running the academy. It is untrue and was never going to happen given all his commitments up north. Those repeating this rumour have done so without much thought for the feelings of the two kids who play such an unjustifiably central role in this false story.

When the name of the new academy boss emerges, I suspect it will reassure many, if not those keyboard warriors who think they are in a “Robinson Out ⅜

Well, I believe that most psychological conditions are diagnosed as being on a spectrum rather than some black or white absolute. Eg you can be a bit depressed or very depressed. Some posters are further along this spectrum than others and I think they know, deep down,

So what you are saying is that @Polox is the Yellows Forum equivalent to Boris Johnson?

And also very aptly named.

 

[beyondthefourth]

A couple of points here. Firstly, two seasons ago, you changed your argument; you referenced last season in your original post (take a look), which is what I replied to! Secondly, these three players we all already had and are, therefore, not upgrades (Baldock's contract renewed) or replacements.

I've not really changed my argument, you were the one who brought 'ever' into the equation, which is what I responded to.

Even now, Henry is a top L1 player, who would feature regularly for any bottom half side, and would be a useful squad member of almost all top half sides. So we agree that he's a squad player at the moment. He's a good squad player. A lot of players we have released were not seen as good squad players.

When I mentioned them as upgrades, I am talking in regards of them being seen as our 'weakest' players. For the last few years, we have been carrying the likes of Hanson and Winnall, players who gave us little hope when they were introduced as subs. Of the current squad, I would say Mousinho is the only one that provides anxiety if he's actually required to play.

I am not questioning releasing Forde, Winnall, or Hanson, but that is irrelevant to your earlier point!

So my earlier point was that the releasing of the above has trimmed the fat, and for the first time we have a squad in which all members can be used and are seen as adequate for this level. We just have to make the necessary additions on top of what we have.

 

[ChamonixOx]

I've not really changed my argument, you were the one who brought 'ever' into the equation, which is what I responded to.

Even now, Henry is a top L1 player, who would feature regularly for any bottom half side, and would be a useful squad member of almost all top half sides. So we agree that he's a squad player at the moment. He's a good squad player. A lot of players we have released were not seen as good squad players.

When I mentioned them as upgrades, I am talking in regards of them being seen as our 'weakest' players. For the last few years, we have been carrying the likes of Hanson and Winnall, players who gave us little hope when they were introduced as subs. Of the current squad, I would say Mousinho is the only one that provides anxiety if he's actually required to play.


So my earlier point was that the releasing of the above has trimmed the fat, and for the first time we have a squad in which all members can be used and are seen as adequate for this level. We just have to make the necessary additions on top of what we have.

My reply was in context to yours, and that context was last year, but I understand the confusion reading it back. Before last year, if I was replying to this context, he was a good team player, but despite his goals, not outstanding in my view either. Good mid-league player, but always felt, even at his best, better as an impact player than a starter. We definitely agree on him being a 'squad-player' now, although we may disagree on the merits of his year's additional extension. Why would we do this for an ageing squad-player?

Your second paragraph is based on the premise that we replace the trimmed fat. We may well do, but so far, it has not been an encouraging start and to suggest we have improved on last year is at best premature. We have had lots of Robinson statements (the excitement of a striker, an example - and I don't think that was about Joseph), with no end product and promises of left and right-backs, but again no end product nearly a tenth into the season. Even when there is a signing, most have been underwhelming rather than an improvement on what we had before. To be precise, several are not getting game time (League) as they are either not ready (e.g. McGinty), or injured (take your pick). Which team would you take - this year or last? The players we have today versus the ones that played at the end of last season?

I never criticised our transfer business until the first game of the season, questioning early July was too early, but regardless of whether we come good, and I hope we do as OUFC has been my club for over half a century, the recruitment to date has not improved us, and to be frank, has been, viewed from the outside, a bit of a shambles.

 

[gofish2]

Well, I believe that most psychological conditions are diagnosed as being on a spectrum rather than some black or white absolute. Eg you can be a bit depressed or very depressed. Some posters are further along this spectrum than others and I think they know, deep down, who they are.

What you 'believe', and what is 'clinical definition' are poles apart. Furthermore, using possible poor mental health as a stick to beat people with says a lot about you. You may well be entitled to an opinion, but compared with facts, it means nothing at all, it's just a noise.

 

[beyondthefourth]

My reply was in context to yours, and that context was last year, but I understand the confusion reading it back. Before last year, if I was replying to this context, he was a good team player, but despite his goals, not outstanding in my view either. Good mid-league player, but always felt, even at his best, better as an impact player than a starter. We definitely agree on him being a 'squad-player' now, although we may disagree on the merits of his year's additional extension. Why would we do this for an ageing squad-player?

Your second paragraph is based on the premise that we replace the trimmed fat. We may well do, but so far, it has not been an encouraging start and to suggest we have improved on last year is at best premature. We have had lots of Robinson statements (the excitement of a striker, an example - and I don't think that was about Joseph), with no end product and promises of left and right-backs, but again no end product nearly a tenth into the season. Even when there is a signing, most have been underwhelming rather than an improvement on what we had before. To be precise, several are not getting game time (League) as they are either not ready (e.g. McGinty), or injured (take your pick). Which team would you take - this year or last? The players we have today versus the ones that played at the end of last season?

I never criticised our transfer business until the first game of the season, moaning early July was too early, but regardless of whether we come good, and I hope we do as OUFC has been my club for over half a century, the recruitment to date has not improved us, and to be frank, has been, viewed from the outside, a bit of a shambles.

I think we're slowly coming to a middle point where we can reach concensus!

I wasn't suggesting that we're in a better place than last season (results don't back that up), or that the further improvements that I'm hoping for are a given. I assumed by this point we'd be looking to deadline day mostly sorted, with perhaps the capacity to add one or two more luxury players should the right ones become available on the day. I agree that come the start of the season, we did not have a squad capable of putting points on the board up to this stage.

My initial point - so long ago now - was in response to someone else in which I was only saying at least we've trimmed dead wood, to the extent that the quote-unquote 'worst' players in the squad are still very good and useful at this level. IF we are able to add the right players to this bunch, and improve the 1/2 areas where we need either top quality starters (RB/LB) or depth to cover (DM/CF), then we should be able to gain momentum and most importantly feel confident in whatever starting XI goes onto the pitch for us.

But absolutely, that should have been the state of play a few weeks ago, not something we're still hoping for into the last few days of the window.

 

[Yellows1]

A bit dark….. no need

 

[zstep123]

A bit dark….. no need

the same could be said for 99% of the posts on this thread

 

[MJB]

Replying to a discussion on mental health with a GIF of a guy putting a gun to his head is in pretty poor taste.

 

[zstep123]

Replying to a discussion on mental health with a GIF of a guy putting a gun to his head is in pretty poor taste.

I totally agree actually, I apologize to all. Back to the Transfer thread!

 

[bert]

This kind of content should not be allowed on here.

Football has been my way of getting away from very serious issues in my life in the past for 90 minutes a week.

I'm fine now generally but have been through dark times in the past that have affected others around me.

You have to think before you post memes like those on this forum. I know it's meant to be a joke but it's not funny in my opinion.

With Joey and others being lost in recent times, it's important to think about the things you post on here. I was very close to where Joey ended up but changed my mind and am really glad that I did. However, just imagine if a forum member is in a dark place and sees something like that.

Somebody else said that 99% of posts on here are as dark as this one. They are not and IMO I think the mods should remove such content.

Sorry to rant.

 

[zstep123]

This kind of content should not be allowed on here.

Football has been my way of getting away from very serious issues in my life in the past for 90 minutes a week.

I'm fine now generally but have been through dark times in the past that have affected others around me.

You have to think before you post memes like those on this forum. I know it's meant to be a joke but it's not funny in my opinion.

With Joey and others being lost in recent times, it's important to think about the things you post on here. I was very close to where Joey ended up but changed my mind and am really glad that I did. However, just imagine if a forum member is in a dark place and sees something like that.

Somebody else said that 99% of posts on here are as dark as this one. They are not and IMO I think the mods should remove such content.

Sorry to rant.

I deleted it and I apologize for the bad taste

 

[WuTang]

Robbo says in his post match interview the Lazio fullback could be coming in. Sounds like had a few doubts though, Nathan asked him if his next signings need to be durable and match fit, Robbo agreed so I wonder if he has some doubts, if it's Anderson he hasn't played too much.

 

[RyanioBirdio]

This kind of content should not be allowed on here.

Football has been my way of getting away from very serious issues in my life in the past for 90 minutes a week.

I'm fine now generally but have been through dark times in the past that have affected others around me.

You have to think before you post memes like those on this forum. I know it's meant to be a joke but it's not funny in my opinion.

With Joey and others being lost in recent times, it's important to think about the things you post on here. I was very close to where Joey ended up but changed my mind and am really glad that I did. However, just imagine if a forum member is in a dark place and sees something like that.

Somebody else said that 99% of posts on here are as dark as this one. They are not and IMO I think the mods should remove such content.

Sorry to rant.

Sorry to hear of your struggles and I’m really glad that you are seemingly in a good place these days. I hope that you continue to move down a positive path.

Really disappointing where this thread has gone today. Fair play to Z for deleting his post and apologising but the tone that that was set previously was pretty disgusting. We can all have our moments but there are lines and limits.

If people can’t use a mere lower league football forum without attempting to antagonise other posters in such a vile and distasteful manner then perhaps they need to take a step back and have a little look in the mirror. They certainly shouldn’t be the ones talking about anybody creating a toxic environment.

Looking forward to some new players arriving in time for Burton.

 

[MJB]

Back to the subject at hand, Jerome talking now about not compromising and acting like a big club.

Not accepting injured players, looking at players who are ready now.

He’s nailed it, as he often does.

 

[bert]

Back to the subject at hand, Jerome talking now about not compromising and acting like a big club.

Not accepting injured players, looking at players who are ready now.

He’s nailed it, as he often does.

Just a bit late in the window to have those ideals isn't it?

 

[brightonyellow]

Surprised we aren’t sticking to the model by looking for younger right back / left back from lower down the pyramid or bottom half of league one.

 

[Oxford84]

Robinson mentions right and left backs coming in again.

 

[Leysboy]

Surprised we aren’t sticking to the model by looking for younger right back / left back from lower down the pyramid or bottom half of league one.

I’m not sure we need to currently, as it seems Golding, is coming through quicker than I expected, and will get even better with more and more match time. It’s nice to see homegrown talent make a breakthrough. Of course we could dip back into the Irish waters in January and pluck another one for the future.

It’s just great to see Golding,Goodrham, and O’Donker get minutes on the pitch. Play them in the Pizza cup, and Fa cup, and slowly blood them in to Lge games.