International News Russian War With Ukraine

[DevilsAvocado]

Morning all,

Some food for thought, the first part is taken from an article that appeared in the EurAsian times
on the 11/Nov/2021.

"The US military is deeply concerned about China’s rapid advancements in space technologies, particularly the latter’s anti-satellite (ASTA) capabilities. It is largely because GPS is used to position, navigate, and synchronize the entire US military operation, including the weapons like aircraft carriers, fifth-generation fighters, tanks, and missiles.
If digital communication is blocked, the US military dominance might be compromised rapidly."

S-550 Satellite killer
A brand new Russian land based mobile unit that finished testing on 15th Nov 2021. This missile is capable of knocking
out U.S satellites without being countered.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosmos_1408
Youtube clip of the S-550

On the 16th of November 2021

If anyone can convince me that is not Russia sending a very clear message to the U.S/NATO i will be amazed.


Zircon missile
Another brand new weapon that finished testing in Nov/Dec 2021, this one is anti ship, it travels at mach 8 and the speed
is so fast it forms an air buffer in front of it that makes it impossible to detect, estimates are that a ships crew would have
a maximum of 10 seconds warning before impact, not that it would do them any good as there is currently no defence against
a missile of that speed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3M22_Zircon
Youtube clip of the Zircon

If all of that is correct* its a gamechanger, Nato will of course be aware of these new weapons and will have very limited
options when it comes to fighting back, Putin realises he has the upper hand for now and may not want to hang around
too long if he has eyes on a bigger prize than Ukraine, who knows how far behind the Americans are and how long they
need, 6 months ? A year ? Two ? So a rather unique opportunity for Putin to accomplish his goals, whatever they may be.
In the meantime the only option that the West appears to have would be to try and take Putin out, wether the West is
capable is one thing, if they have the balls is another thing entirely, if they screw it up the price to pay will be horrendous.
I`m open to other ideas on how we might otherwise get out of this pickle, forget sanctions, we are past that.

Sorry if this was a downer, i wish i had better news.

* These things are quite new and there isnt a great deal of info out there, especially from the time when the tests were
concluded until now so that always leaves the door open to being wrong, if in doubt i would encourage you to check it
out for yourself and come to your own conclusions.

Edited to add the bbc segment 16/11/21

 

[Concretebob]

I'm old enough to remember remainders stressing we shouldn't forget that peace in Europe was a benefit of a united EU only to be shouted down as scaremongering by those ..... (think) financed by Putin.

I wonder how much Russian money was in the Leave campaign? Putin has played the leavers hook line and sinker it appears.

 

[Oxt1]

I wonder how much Russian money was in the Leave campaign? Putin has played the leavers hook line and sinker it appears.

Genuine question as I just can't work out what difference us being in the Eu or not has on this situation, if we were still in the EU the sanctions would be no different, there would still be zero chance of a military response. I might be missing something obvious though, hence my question.

 

[Foley]

So given the UK's relative military power it was very much in Russia's interest to see the UK splt from the EU.

Isn't NATO for the European and other allies to be part of.
The EU still seem very disjointed so not sure how a European Army would be an improvement?

 

[Foley]

Genuine question as I just can't work out what difference us being in the Eu or not has on this situation, if we were still in the EU the sanctions would be no different, there would still be zero chance of a military response. I might be missing something obvious though, hence my question.

I don't think that you are missing anything.
Leaving the EU I believe is pretty irrelevant in the current conflict.

 

[IsleofWightYellow]

I think it was more a general goal of Putin to destabilise the EU, as a united block of countries working against him was always going to be tougher to deal with (on the whole) than a fractured one, with countries leaving left right and centre.

It’s pretty much unargued now that there was at least some Russian influence in the vote leave campaign - just like the Trump victory.

 

[bazzer9461]

I wonder how much Russian money was in the Leave campaign? Putin has played the leavers hook line and sinker it appears.

He never played me comrade

 

[Thomas/Brock/Jones]

Can we stop making stupid political ' leave ' 'remain' s**t please.
Corbyn and his cronys are blaming Nato for a free Country daring to wish to join it so hardly against it so it cuts both ways .
UK leaving the EU has absolutely no bearing on this occurrence ffs.
This is a tragedy for the people of Ukraine and possibly other parts of Europe soon ( as well as the ordinary Russians who are against this )

 

[Oxymoron]

I think the time to get worried is when EY posts that it's "Just a bit of a scuffle".....

 

[Wandering Yellow]

Genuine question as I just can't work out what difference us being in the Eu or not has on this situation, if we were still in the EU the sanctions would be no different, there would still be zero chance of a military response. I might be missing something obvious though, hence my question.

Some people on here are totally obsessed with the Brexit result.

 

[IsleofWightYellow]

Can we stop making stupid political ' leave ' 'remain' s**t please.
Corbyn and his cronys are blaming Nato for a free Country daring to wish to join it so hardly against it so it cuts both ways .
UK leaving the EU has absolutely no bearing on this occurrence ffs.
This is a tragedy for the people of Ukraine and possibly other parts of Europe soon ( as well as the ordinary Russians who are against this )

What on earth has Jeremy Corbyn got to do with saying that Putin supported leave?! (which he did, that’s not playing politics, it’s just a fact). Corbyn was hardly the biggest remainer ever!

I honestly think you could pop your head of out the door, say it’s raining and someone would pipe up “Yeah but Corbyn…”

 

[m]

Isn't NATO for the European and other allies to be part of.
The EU still seem very disjointed so not sure how a European Army would be an improvement?

The European army doesn’t exist. That was scare tactics.

The situation is that EU member states become legally obliged if one is invaded. This is independent of NATO.

It possibly makes no difference to anything, but you can certainly see why Putin would want it.

 

[Thomas/Brock/Jones]

What on earth has Jeremy Corbyn got to do with saying that Putin supported leave?! (which he did, that’s not playing politics, it’s just a fact). Corbyn was hardly the biggest remainer ever!

I honestly think you could pop your head of out the door, say it’s raining and someone would pipe up “Yeah but Corbyn…”

Making the point that he , as leader of the opposition as was , and even now is making excuses for Putins actions which I find shocking, whoever was in charge this is very likely to have happened.
It has nothing to do with bloody brexit
Maybe Germanys reliance on gas from Russia and the EU being weakened because of that is a big part of this .

 

[unification]

Brexit didn’t lead to Russia invading Ukraine but it’s outcome is all part of the divide and rule tactics from a belligerent Putin.

What’s easier to tackle? A united EU or a splintered one with factions within it bickering amongst themselves and then the ideal result of siphoning off one of the members entirely in the UK.

The Cold War never ended. It’s one of the many strings Putin has pulled in the West.

 

[Osei Yaw]

Morning all,

Some food for thought, the first part is taken from an article that appeared in the EurAsian times
on the 11/Nov/2021.

"The US military is deeply concerned about China’s rapid advancements in space technologies, particularly the latter’s anti-satellite (ASTA) capabilities. It is largely because GPS is used to position, navigate, and synchronize the entire US military operation, including the weapons like aircraft carriers, fifth-generation fighters, tanks, and missiles.
If digital communication is blocked, the US military dominance might be compromised rapidly."

S-550 Satellite killer
A brand new Russian land based mobile unit that finished testing on 15th Nov 2021. This missile is capable of knocking
out U.S satellites without being countered.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosmos_1408
Youtube clip of the S-550

Zircon missile
Another brand new weapon that finished testing in Nov/Dec 2021, this one is anti ship, it travels at mach 8 and the speed
is so fast it forms an air buffer in front of it that makes it impossible to detect, estimates are that a ships crew would have
a maximum of 10 seconds warning before impact, not that it would do them any good as there is currently no defence against
a missile of that speed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3M22_Zircon
Youtube clip of the Zircon

If all of that is correct* its a gamechanger, Nato will of course be aware of these new weapons and will have very limited
options when it comes to fighting back, Putin realises he has the upper hand for now and may not want to hang around
too long if he has eyes on a bigger prize than Ukraine, who knows how far behind the Americans are and how long they
need, 6 months ? A year ? Two ? So a rather unique opportunity for Putin to accomplish his goals, whatever they may be.
In the meantime the only option that the West appears to have would be to try and take Putin out, wether the West is
capable is one thing, if they have the balls is another thing entirely, if they screw it up the price to pay will be horrendous.
I`m open to other ideas on how we might otherwise get out of this pickle, forget sanctions, we are past that.

Sorry if this was a downer, i wish i had better news.

* These things are quite new and there isnt a great deal of info out there, especially from the time when the tests were
concluded until now so that always leaves the door open to being wrong, if in doubt i would encourage you to check it
out for yourself and come to your own conclusions.

Do you think that if you've done some googling and found this stuff out, that it might be likely the Americans might also be aware and have continued to develop their own technologies in the background?

I'm not an expert but I find it unlikely that all military technological advancements are recorded in the media.

 

[Essexyellows]

I think the time to get worried is when EY posts that it's "Just a bit of a scuffle".....

Well...............................

What needs to happen is NATO et al need to secure the European/Ukrainian borders to stop Vlad & Co rolling any further and drawing a line in the sand and showing some strength and muscle. Tell him straight "Any closer than 100 miles will be seen as an act of agression".

Then wait.

It's very likely Russia has ignited its own internal problems by invading, plenty of Russians don`t like it and protests have started on the streets.
Ukrainians will fight an insurgency, supported by their allies and that will draw down on Russian resources as Ukraine is huge.
Then the sanctions applied globally will bite.

Going to be a long old affair.................

 

[DevilsAvocado]

Do you think that if you've done some googling and found this stuff out, that it might be likely the Americans might also be aware and have continued to develop their own technologies in the background?

I'm not an expert but I find it unlikely that all military technological advancements are recorded in the media.

Well i did mention that the Americans are aware of this but that they had dropped behind in the technological race, these weapons finished testing
about 3 months ago, for right now the Russians appear to have taken the lead in the arms race, call it complaceny if you like or as one American
said, " we had our eyes on the middle east and in the meantime we didnt pay as much attention as we should have in technological terms". You know
i realise its subjective which is why i went to lengths at the end of that post to suggest that people check it our for themselves.

 

[Foley]

The European army doesn’t exist. That was scare tactics.

The situation is that EU member states become legally obliged if one is invaded. This is independent of NATO.

It possibly makes no difference to anything, but you can certainly see why Putin would want it.

No the European Army does not exist but somebody above suggested that maybe it would be a good idea ( alongside arguing that the UK leaving the EU was bad for security)
I was arguing that with NATO ( and there is in my view a need for a stonger NATO ), I can't see why there is a need for a European Army.

 

[QR]

Can we stop making stupid political ' leave ' 'remain' s**t please.
Corbyn and his cronys are blaming Nato for a free Country daring to wish to join it so hardly against it so it cuts both ways .
UK leaving the EU has absolutely no bearing on this occurrence ffs.
This is a tragedy for the people of Ukraine and possibly other parts of Europe soon ( as well as the ordinary Russians who are against this )

Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's not there

Once we had people in charge who really did understand these things.

 

[m]

No the European Army does not exist but somebody above suggested that maybe it would be a good idea ( alongside arguing that the UK leaving the EU was bad for security)
I was arguing that with NATO ( and there is in my view a need for a stonger NATO ), I can't see why there is a need for a European Army.

Fair enough, I agree as it goes.