What do we know?

Dave T said:
I would think he more than likely has one even if he doesn’t want to communicate it. Maybe not a bad way to work, u can’t be beaten with the top six budget stick, or championship in 5 years if u haven’t mention a full on plan.

He has said he aims to improve communication, overhaul the merchandise, aim for the championship and possibly beyond, and use the name as a brand. But yeah where’s the bloody plan
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Those are aims ... not a plan. I think that's what you are saying. I agree.
 
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Dave T said:
Other than charlie telling u so, do u know that tigers plan if Implemented won’t be good for the club ?
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Hey!!
I thought that you and I had got away from telling sly fibs about each other. I have studiously avoided making comments on Tiger and his plans. I have even pushed back on those criticising him for the presser and the lack of managerial appointment. So don'
t try to tell people that I have been traducing him. I have been with you in trying to urge a little patience.
Nor am I being critical of Eales for trying to extract the best deal he could for himself.
All I am gently suggesting is that the fanbase group around a more or less obviously true version of events: that, instead of the best chairman we ever had acting in the best interests of the club, we just accept him for what he was and is. A venture capitalist who backed a successful plan, but then screwed it up a bit, lost interest once the main prize wasn't on offer, and then set out to extract the maximum amount of cash, securing his own inflated deal (compared to League 1 norms) against the sole surviving assets the club has.
Not evil, and thanks for the memories (genuinely) but the self-serving takeover press release, and hagiographical quote by his friends at Oxvox, is drawing a very different picture from the pretty blatant truth.
 
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Dave T said:
Other than charlie telling u so, do u know that tigers plan if Implemented won’t be good for the club ?
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Hey!!
I thought that you and I had got away from telling sly fibs about each other. I have studiously avoided making comments on Tiger and his plans. I have even pushed back on those criticising him for the presser and the lack of managerial appointment. So don'
t try to tell people that I have been traducing him. I have been with you in trying to urge a little patience.
Nor am I being critical of Eales for trying to extract the best deal he could for himself.
All I am gently suggesting is that the fanbase group around a more or less obviously true version of events: that, instead of the best chairman we ever had acting in the best interests of the club, we just accept him for what he was and is. A venture capitalist who backed a successful plan, but then screwed it up a bit, lost interest once the main prize wasn't on offer, and then set out to extract the maximum amount of cash, securing his own inflated deal (compared to League 1 norms) against the sole surviving assets the club has.
Not evil, and thanks for the memories (genuinely) but the self-serving takeover press release, and hagiographical quote by his friends at Oxvox, is drawing a very different picture from the pretty blatant truth.
 
Dave T said:
To be fair Myles has never resorted to name calling or petty insults. The odd dig at Oxvox maybe. But despite us not agreeing on everything I think it’s actually pretty similar in aim, of getting the best for the club, we just come at it from different ends of the positive spectrum. I start at the best case and work back, he starts at the worse case and works forward.
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To be honest Dave, I think most if not all Oxford fans who write comments on here are only wanting what is best for the club, even Charlie!
 
Everything I have read on this thread confirms three things....
1. DE did a pretty good job, albeit with more than half an eye on getting out at breakeven/profit
2. His decision to sell to Tiger was disappointing on many levels
3. Any OUFC fan with half a brain should be very concerned about Tiger's capabilities/intentions
 
Scotchegg said:
At least Tiger is a cool name! I couldn't imagine having an owner called Bank or Oil!!
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Posters on here had a field day calling Eales "slippery" so they'd go completely ape if we had "oil" in charge
 
Sarge said:
With no assets to strip, is there an ulterior motive? maybe, only maybe mind, the kit cleaning and ironing department might have a bit more added to their workload ?

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The motive is to go for broke to get us into the Championship in one season then sell us on.
 
uptheus said:
Sarge said:
With no assets to strip, is there an ulterior motive? maybe, only maybe mind, the kit cleaning and ironing department might have a bit more added to their workload ?

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The motive is to go for broke to get us into the Championship in one season then sell us on.
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I can live with that as a motive
 
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uptheus said:
The motive is to go for broke to get us into the Championship in one season then sell us on.
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If that is the case then it is worrying. Our current playing squad is a mess and we have no manager.
When Pep took over the situation was much better, and people said that he would need time. Our next gaffer will see upwards of 15 of the current squad move on (loanees, those who will need to be sold, those out of contract, those not good enough). So there will be a huge new intake.
If half of them 'work' then that will be a decent result. But that will still see us short of a promotion squad. To bring in even those quality players will need a big budget. So the annual loss will be huge, with no transfer revenue to mitigate it.
If, as is overwhelmingly likely, promotion was not then achieved (and that was the s**t or bust year) then we would be a club with a structural loss of 2.5 million, no transfer income, a shitty stadium situation and an owner out of funds. Not an obviously appealing situation. Both IL and DE both took the helm with a clear plan and some quite deep pockets. We need to see some evidence and assurances on both fronts from Tiger. s**t or bust right now is a strategy likely to lead to the former followed by the latter.
 
Dave T said:
Everyone listed as a director of the holding company will have been looked at, all past convictions will have been looked at.

https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/appendix-3---owners-and-directors-test/
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The EFL tests are a total joke. The Chinese consortium who took over Reading from Tiger had already been failed by the Premier League. Tiger's mentors had already been warned away from Pompey by the PL.
The reason the EFL test is so weak is that it is voted on by the people who want to sell for the maximum amount possible to whoever. Turkeys and Christmas. Whereas club owners have no say over PL regulations such as this.
 
I see Tiger is now notified as a person with significant control.
"The person holds, directly or indirectly, 75% or more of the shares in the company."
"The person holds, directly or indirectly, 75% or more of the voting rights in the company."
 
Firoka Oxford United Stadium 2017 accounts
"The company is in arbitration proceedings with its tenant in respect of the quantum of service charges billed to the tenant for the years 2015 to 2107. The total amounts billed in those years amounted to £601,701, and the company is confident in the case it has made to the arbitrator".
 
MarkG said:
Firoka Oxford United Stadium 2017 accounts
"The company is in arbitration proceedings with its tenant in respect of the quantum of service charges billed to the tenant for the years 2015 to 2107. The total amounts billed in those years amounted to £601,701, and the company is confident in the case it has made to the arbitrator".
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Love to know just what we were getting for that kind of money. (or not getting as is suggested!)
 
yellowfellow said:
If that's the case - and it sounds plausible on the face of it - why are we vilifying Eales?

As you say, it was never his plan to simply gift the club millions - he hoped to invest and sell at a profit. Along the way, he developed an affection for the club and still attends games. He didn’t get to quite where he’d hoped and “circumstances changed” for him so he needed to offload.

Why is that so terrible? Why does that make him “slippery”?

The only possible criticism I can see is that he MIGHT have favoured his own interests above the club’s by taking the Tiger money rather than the Sartori (because it was more) and he didn’t want to lose £3m (by your sums). But as we’ll never be able to compare the two bids (because only one resulted in a takeover), it’s impossible to say whether or not his decision was in the club’s interests.

Are you personally upset because you were involved in the Sartori bid but not the Tiger one? In which case, I suppose it’s understandable that you’d think the one you were involved with was better. But then that’s potentially putting your own self-interest above the club’s as you can’t possibly know that it was better in fact (and never will).

As for Tiger. I am still struggling to understand why anyone would want to buy a football club that they “can’t quite afford”, but I guess it’s not impossible. Let’s hope he’s not as stupid as that sounds…!
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We are vilifying Eales because he said "I will only sell in the bests interests of OUFC. " There were two parties willing to put up to 20 million into this club and Eales turned them down when he found out he could make more money for himself
 
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