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The post said no collusion and I agree that the Russian investigation found nothing . The only collusion was elsewhere in the US.

Just look at what Kevin Clinesmith has admitted to. An FBI Lawyer pleading guilty to falsifying an email from the CIA to persuade the FISC court to renew for a 3rd time a wiretap on a citizen.

That citizen was Carter Page. Funny how so much illegal activity from the US Govt and Obama's regime always comes back to Carter Page or General Flynn. It's almost coincidental isn't it? Obama's FBI also seems kind of corrupt and nasty?? Who was part of that regime? Joe Biden.

If you want a scandal, why would the DNC allow Bill Clinton to speak at their convention when his friend Maxwell is pending trial and he was such close friends with Epstein who was a known nonce, etc.

As always, the time is yours.... Use it wisely.
 
Just wait until he gets another term, it`ll be very busy in here............................

A Trumpesque character or a senile geriatric......................... somewhat reflective of our most recent choice. :D ? ?
 
Here's a little challenge for those moaning that it's quiet in here. Will your mouths match your conspiracy theories and work rate?

If completed by 26th August at Midday, I will donate a £200 to the OUFC Community Trust if you can, categorically and unequivocally to a high legal standard, prove the Russian collusion narrative that 3 1/2 years of investigation by various agencies and $30 million of US Tax Payers money did not. This includes but is not limited to:
  1. Provide clear proof Trump collaborated with Putin to slant the election and what he collaborated with him on it
    1. Speeches and vague witness statements do not count. Meeting minutes, etc are a standard
    2. Also, show he was bought by the Russians
  2. Trump's campaign actively worked with Putin and Wikileaks
    1. Not, oh Manafort or Stone met with x, y or z, actual legal standard proof - I want to see this as Mueller couldn't find anything concrete. The fact Stone got the wrong end of the stick on Wikileaks suggests not.
    2. No other political campaign has met with foreign secret service/hangers on ever
    3. Trump made the decisions on that
  3. The Steele Dossier is 100% true
  4. Carter Page and General Flynn are guilty
  5. The FBI did not conspire to delegitmatise the Trump regime - Comey, Clapper, etc
  6. Adam Schiff isn't a lying POS
  7. The Obama regime was not complicit in creating the issue
    1. Why did Susan Rice feel compelled to send that email to herself if she wasn't worried about something?
    2. Joe Biden and Obama did not attempt to demask Flynn
This is what you've alleged over the years and you claim you have the answers, so it should be easy to get me to pay up. The facts that Sidney Powell and the papesr Ric Grenell released over the past 6 months will be wrong too, so you have the chance to change history. You took Trump down!

Time is yours fellas! Prove you aren't the left wing version of QAnon and 9/11 Truthers.

Chop, chop, the clock ticking. I'm waiting
 
Can we ask you to prove, conclusively, that there was no Russian collusion? I'm guessing you can't, so it comes down to which reports you believe and how good you are at checking 'facts' from the internet. Ultimately, in the absence of proof either way, it will come down to opinions and, believe it or not, not every opinion will tally with yours. The clock is definitely still ticking.
 
I hope the Democrats don't go down the Russian collusion rabbit hole in the next three months. There's too much I believe this, you believe that. Too much hearsay. Trump will just use it to obfuscate, divide and distract from the main issues.

What they need to be focusing on is exactly what Michelle Obama said at the DNC convention:

So let me be as honest and clear as I possibly can. Donald Trump is the wrong president for our country. He has had more than enough time to prove that he can do the job, but he is clearly in over his head. He cannot meet this moment. He simply cannot be who we need him to be for us. It is what it is.

All the angry tweeting and boorish convention soundbites in the world should not be allowed to obscure the fact that Trump has had four years in office, for two of which his party had control of the House and the Senate, and has done almost nothing to improve the lives of the average American. One tax cut - which itself was strongly in the favor of corporations - is the sum total of the legislative achievements while he's been in office.
And when the big crisis of his presidency came along, he's been found wanting in every way. No swift action, no coherent guidance, just a lot of contradictory messaging and everything being left to the state governors. He's been inept.

So just hammer on that message over and over. And hope no-one asks too many questions of your candidate......
 
tonyw said:
I hope the Democrats don't go down the Russian collusion rabbit hole in the next three months. There's too much I believe this, you believe that. Too much hearsay. Trump will just use it to obfuscate, divide and distract from the main issues.

What they need to be focusing on is exactly what Michelle Obama said at the DNC convention:

So let me be as honest and clear as I possibly can. Donald Trump is the wrong president for our country. He has had more than enough time to prove that he can do the job, but he is clearly in over his head. He cannot meet this moment. He simply cannot be who we need him to be for us. It is what it is.

All the angry tweeting and boorish convention soundbites in the world should not be allowed to obscure the fact that Trump has had four years in office, for two of which his party had control of the House and the Senate, and has done almost nothing to improve the lives of the average American. One tax cut - which itself was strongly in the favor of corporations - is the sum total of the legislative achievements while he's been in office.
And when the big crisis of his presidency came along, he's been found wanting in every way. No swift action, no coherent guidance, just a lot of contradictory messaging and everything being left to the state governors. He's been inept.

So just hammer on that message over and over. And hope no-one asks too many questions of your candidate......
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So far so good.....Trump already resorting to tweeting in captials[emoji23]
 
tonyw said:
I hope the Democrats don't go down the Russian collusion rabbit hole in the next three months. There's too much I believe this, you believe that. Too much hearsay. Trump will just use it to obfuscate, divide and distract from the main issues.

What they need to be focusing on is exactly what Michelle Obama said at the DNC convention:

So let me be as honest and clear as I possibly can. Donald Trump is the wrong president for our country. He has had more than enough time to prove that he can do the job, but he is clearly in over his head. He cannot meet this moment. He simply cannot be who we need him to be for us. It is what it is.

All the angry tweeting and boorish convention soundbites in the world should not be allowed to obscure the fact that Trump has had four years in office, for two of which his party had control of the House and the Senate, and has done almost nothing to improve the lives of the average American. One tax cut - which itself was strongly in the favor of corporations - is the sum total of the legislative achievements while he's been in office.
And when the big crisis of his presidency came along, he's been found wanting in every way. No swift action, no coherent guidance, just a lot of contradictory messaging and everything being left to the state governors. He's been inept.

So just hammer on that message over and over. And hope no-one asks too many questions of your candidate......
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I agree. Her problem is the lack of appropriate candidate on the Democrat side and the distinct issues with the candidate they have. And some of the social justice issues that are some Americans are afraid to talk about but will be a point of frustration.

If they had an Obama esque candidate, it would scorch the earth for them. Joe Biden makes Trump look a flexible intellectual and the likes of Tara Reade haven't gone away from his past.

The Democrats Russian (and Kavanaugh) strategy worked on Trump perfectly. He spent a lot of time distracted on it over the past few years, but they over egged it at the end and chose a inferior candidate to fight Trump.

Arguably, Trump appointing Ric Grenell and Bill Barr could give him 4 more years,
 
Pete Burrett said:
Can we ask you to prove, conclusively, that there was no Russian collusion? I'm guessing you can't, so it comes down to which reports you believe and how good you are at checking 'facts' from the internet. Ultimately, in the absence of proof either way, it will come down to opinions and, believe it or not, not every opinion will tally with yours. The clock is definitely still ticking.
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Yes, Bob Mueller found nothing and was given an open cheque book to do it.

But if you believe he is wrong, the world is your oyster. Rather than complain about other people, get out there and prove what others have not been able to! If it's as easy as you think, the proof will be sat there waiting.

Off you go!
 
So why was Trump not exonerated by Mueller?

The simple answer is that whilst there was no categorical evidence to prove his guilt (the best criminals will go to the most extreme lengths to cover their tracks), there was nothing to prove his innocence either...the burden of proof as it stands is to prove guilt of a crime and because direct evidence of that crime could not be established, he walks away. History is littered with examples of a lack of evidence meaning the right verdict cannot be reached. That is not the same as someone being innocent.

All depends on who's version you chose to believe and if you chose to side with a serial liar, cheat and conman then that's up to you. But hey....nobody can prove it right? So we have to believe he is innocent and a fine upstanding human being....is that how it works?

There are enough flies circling the orange turd to suggest it really does stink.

I guess what it comes down to is where your values and moral compass suggest your loyalties and values lie.

Here's a challenge for you.

Why not make a compelling case to convince everyone that Andrew Harper's killers are guilty of no more than manslaughter, as per the verdict delivered in court based on the evidence presented to the jury...and not the murder that feels like the right conviction?

The time is yours.....
 
Gary Baldi said:
Yes, Bob Mueller found nothing and was given an open cheque book to do it.

But if you believe he is wrong, the world is your oyster. Rather than complain about other people, get out there and prove what others have not been able to! If it's as easy as you think, the proof will be sat there waiting.

Off you go!
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But Trump was not found 'not guilty' by Mueller. Do you really think the unsupported conclusions of one person prove anything? Where is the concurring evidence showing there was no collusion? To draw your conclusion based on what one person said is rather arrogant.

EDIT - I'm not complaining about anything, by the way, I just have this strange desire to hear the truth from reputable sources. Or from a few reputable sources.
 
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Sheik djibouti said:
So why was Trump not exonerated by Mueller?

The simple answer is that whilst there was no categorical evidence to prove his guilt (the best criminals will go to the most extreme lengths to cover their tracks), there was nothing to prove his innocence either...the burden of proof as it stands is to prove guilt of a crime and because direct evidence of that crime could not be established, he walks away. History is littered with examples of a lack of evidence meaning the right verdict cannot be reached. That is not the same as someone being innocent.

All depends on who's version you chose to believe and if you chose to side with a serial liar, cheat and conman then that's up to you. But hey....nobody can prove it right? So we have to believe he is innocent and a fine upstanding human being....is that how it works?

There are enough flies circling the orange turd to suggest it really does stink.

I guess what it comes down to is where your values and moral compass suggest your loyalties and values lie.

Here's a challenge for you.

Why not make a compelling case to convince everyone that Andrew Harper's killers are guilty of no more than manslaughter, as per the verdict delivered in court based on the evidence presented to the jury...and not the murder that feels like the right conviction?

The time is yours.....
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Political expediency.

If there was the evidence that Schiff (among others) and those on here claim there was in such abundance, it was a slam dunk then and for those with desire, it's a slam dunk to prove now with more analysis. Lots of Democrats will be pleased someone else has taken the mantle.

Even looking at what the likes of Manafort were not charged with says a lot.

You can obfuscate around the point, but if a 3 1/2 year partisan investigation and $30 million of cost, plus court time can't find anything, then perhaps there was nothing there. Where is the whistleblower? Why aren't they talking out. Etc

Read the recent stuff about the Steele Dossier. Plus the filings from Sidney Powell on behalf of General Flynn. Scratch the surface. What you will find is disgusting.

As for your challenge, no ta. I'm done with that stuff for the moment. I'm keen to see if I will be donating the OUFC community trust.

Times yours.
 
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