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The 'rules' allow for judgement. Whether you think Cummings' judgement was poor or not, he used his judgement. Looking forward to everybody else similarly using their judgement, particularly if driven by 'instinct'. Genie's out of the bottle people. Do what you like and defend it as you see fit.
 
So only one "team" can ask questions or debate ? You may note the reticence of some to answer questions.
No squirrels here....... .22 sorts out tree rats. :)
Never said anything about who can ask questions.
 
For comparison and to educate @werthersoriginal where I live, although I thought picture would have given it away.

 
I think you are slightly missing the point @horseman

You are right in that those who have flouted the rules are idiots. Full stop. Whether they are a politician, an accountant, a used car salesman - doesn't matter. Whatever their politics or views on this that or the other, they are thoughtless fools. Fine them, make sure they don't do it again, shame them in public and get them to say they are sorry. Everyone makes mistakes (although this is a particularly stupid one to make!). Should those people lose their jobs? No, I don't think so.

There are some added problems here though.
Firstly Cummings helped to write the rules - and is now claiming that they didn't quite mean what everyone else thought (and was told) that they meant. (Cumming's excuses and convoluted reasonings yesterday reminded me of the way tax evaders try to claim it was only 'tax avoidance'!).
Secondly, he apparently STILL cannot see that anything he did could have been wrong, and that there is absolutely no need to apologise (as the rest of the public figures who have been caught have done) - which shows a breath-taking arrogance and a complete misreading of the public mood.
Thirdly, he (and his wife) have deliberately tried to cover up the fact that they made this trip (if it was all perfectly fine - why?).
Fourth - driving about to test his eyes? The thought that anyone would be stupid enough to believe that claptrap again shows a huge disdain for the intelligence of the public - he hasn't learned his lesson.
Fifth - this is the man who has the ear of the PM and is (reportedly) the power behind the elected throne. Should an un-elected, arrogant and self-centred liar be in such a position? Perhaps that is par for the course though...
Sixth - this is a huge distraction. The government record over this pandemic has been (let's be kind...) 'unimpressive' in many areas. We seem to be just about starting to come through it, albeit at huge cost both personal and financial - what we don't want is for them to be faffing about with this matter when they should be concentrating on the matter in hand.

This could have been sorted weeks ago. A full and frank pre-emptive admission and a proper apology coupled with an explanation of how central his role is in the management of the current crisis and I think he would have survived.

It isn't just what he did, it is his attitude and the effect that is going to have on how people follow the health advice given by the government in future.
 
"BREAKING NEWS:
UK coronavirus death toll now at least 47,347 including suspected cases - Reuters tally of official sources"

Is that right, I thought it was 30,000 ish? Why the jump? Thats concerning!
 
Fourth - driving about to test his eyes? The thought that anyone would be stupid enough to believe that claptrap again shows a huge disdain for the intelligence of the public - he hasn't learned his lesson.
Of all the points in your comprehensive list, this is the one that confounds me. I get that a lot of people were swayed by his need for childcare, but how anyone can believe this utter tosh defies belief.
 
So she didn't have the virus (or did), he was in the throes of having it (or had already had it), they were in London (and/or Durham and/or Barnards Castle), while his eyesight may (or may not) have been affected by a virus (that he may or may not have had), on a trip where he probably had a conversation with the PM (but neither of them can remember it)?

Glad that's all cleared up then.
 
Labour’s Stephen Kinnock drove hundreds of miles to see his elderly parents during lockdown.
Labour’s MP in County Durham, Kevan Jones, attended a constituents’ birthday party.
Labour MP Tahir Ali who attended a funeral in his constituency as one of 100 mourners at the start of April.
Labour’s Health Secretary in Wales, Vaughn Gething, had a picnic with his family in a park at a time when the Welsh Government he sits in explicitly said “No picnics in the park.”

Can the regulars spare some outrage for them as well?
Those elected politicians leading by example?
Should they all resign?

2 wrongs don`t make a right, but if you are going all guns out for one person it might be wise to ensure your own house is in order first.

They are all human, they have all made mistakes, but there needs to be some proportionality.

Probably going to be in for some backlash and defensive comments on here from a few, but yes all doing these things when the majority of us have refrained and followed the guidelines is indefensible.

All in the wrong and all should be held accountable. Labour, Conservative, whoever....

Some on here have said that it is okay not to defend Cummings and still be a Conservative supporter. Well that sort of works both ways but It seems that none of these Labour MP misdemeanours seem to get highlighted.
 
Of all the points in your comprehensive list, this is the one that confounds me. I get that a lot of people were swayed by his need for childcare, but how anyone can believe this utter tosh defies belief.
It’s one answer that stood out amongst the rest. Proving he’s lying on this point can only happen by either him and / or his wife or other person saying it’s bullsh*t, and he knows it.
A lot of thought has gone into his statement but this is possibly the weakest answer he gave. Cue the clamour for his wife and god forbid, his child to be interviewed. It’s the press, I wouldn’t put it past them.
 
@MC Yellow

Is that true? I don't think there has been a single person on here that has said that what those people did was sensible or defensible?

They aren't as high profile as Cumming's little jaunt perhaps, but I think all of us would say what they have done was pretty stupid. Unless of course they were using their 'instincts' and following their own judgement - so perhaps what they did was perfectly OK? ;)
 
Cue the clamour for his wife and god forbid, his child to be interviewed. It’s the press, I wouldn’t put it past them.
His wife is a journalist and columnist herself, so I think she would be fair game! Obviously his young child would be well off limits and and I am sure even the tabloid red tops would recognise that.
 
@MC Yellow

Is that true? I don't think there has been a single person on here that has said that what those people did was sensible or defensible?

They aren't as high profile as Cumming's little jaunt perhaps, but I think all of us would say what they have done was pretty stupid. Unless of course they were using their 'instincts' and following their own judgement - so perhaps what they did was perfectly OK? ;)

Not saying people necessarily agree with what they have done, just don’t seem to highlight them.

Whilst lack of high profile is a fair comment, I think people have shown that you can find anything if you look hard enough.

But no doubt there are plenty of similar stories of Conservative MPs of a lower profile?
 
It’s one answer that stood out amongst the rest. Proving he’s lying on this point can only happen by either him and / or his wife or other person saying it’s bullsh*t, and he knows it.
A lot of thought has gone into his statement but this is possibly the weakest answer he gave. Cue the clamour for his wife and god forbid, his child to be interviewed. It’s the press, I wouldn’t put it past them.
Well, this almost defies belief even more:

Michael Gove says he has driven 'on occasion' to test his eyesight
Michael Gove told LBC he had driven to check his eyesight, but he was "not an authority of driving" as it had taken him seven times to pass his test.
lbc.co.uk


The only thing preventing me getting a pitchfork and a flaming torch, getting in my car (my intuition tells me its OK) and going down to Downing Street to try and get rid of Wurzel Gummidge is that this odious little worm might be next at the top of the greasy pole.
 
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