Current Player #25 Will Goodwin

Chippy said:
Of course but that doesn’t mean that the Goodwin signing wasn’t terrible business. We could have probably signed him for 100k in the summer and his contribution wouldn’t have made a difference, that’s the point.

We needed help and competition to aid and boost our promotion bid, not waste 400k on someone who has added nothing in the second half of the season.

He’s not aided our promotion bid one bit, and we’ve shelled out 400k plus signing on fee and wages for the privilege, that’s the point really, got nothing to do with being 2 games from promotion, that’s a separate issue.

However you or anyone wants to try and play the Goodwin signing, it’s been terrible from a second half of the season help sense, would u not agree?
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He's been signed on a 3.5 year deal. If he scores 20 goals a season for the next three then it's been a fantastic signing.

As it stands, him not playing much this season hasn't cost us a thing in terms of promotion chances, unless you would have expected automatic promotion.
 
Scotchegg said:
He's been signed on a 3.5 year deal. If he scores 20 goals a season for the next three then it's been a fantastic signing.

As it stands, him not playing much this season hasn't cost us a thing in terms of promotion chances, unless you would have expected automatic promotion.
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The real point is, we shelled out 400k in January on a striker that we have needed for 12 months+, with the expectation that he would significantly contribute towards our promotion bid this season. I sincerely hope he is a massive success in 24/25 and beyond, but the thing here is, he has contributed diddly squat in 23/24 for which we paid 400k with the expectation that we’d get a return on our investment.

As things stand no club would want to pay anything like 400k for a croc except maybe Salford. I’m not trying to be awkward, the facts with Goodwin are, as a Jan signing to aid the current season promotion push it’s been a disastrous use of 400k. Surely we can agree on that, regardless of what he may or may not go on to achieve, with a massive risk as to his future fitness and availability?
 
Chippy said:
The real point is, we shelled out 400k in January on a striker that we have needed for 12 months+, with the expectation that he would significantly contribute towards our promotion bid this season. I sincerely hope he is a massive success in 24/25 and beyond, but the thing here is, he has contributed diddly squat in 23/24 for which we paid 400k with the expectation that we’d get a return on our investment.

As things stand no club would want to pay anything like 400k for a croc except maybe Salford. I’m not trying to be awkward, the facts with Goodwin are, as a Jan signing to aid the current season promotion push it’s been a disastrous use of 400k. Surely we can agree on that, regardless of what he may or may not go on to achieve, with a massive risk as to his future fitness and availability?
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How much did we pay for him? It's not clear in your post
 
Scotchegg said:
How much did we pay for him? It's not clear in your post
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I admire you defending the indefensible. It’s great to be positive, but in terms of Goodwin being a positive signing in terms of the 23/24 season, I don’t think even you can spin that one.

We could have used the money on someone who could have made a massive difference to us (in the current season), but we have signed a croc. We even knew he was a croc but still signed him.

We are so lucky Harris has maintained his fitness and been as robust as he has in terms of availability, otherwise we’d be up sh*t street in terms of any centre forward options. As it is surely you can see we are woefully short up top when he goes off or gets tired, Browne, Bodin, Henry, etc… are just not of the requisite standard we need on a regular basis (the odd flash or touch of quality sporadically aside).

We just needed an extra quality forward/striker in Jan to help Harris out and we spent big money on someone who’s not been fit from day one to do that. Just in terms of this particular signing for 23/24 I don’t see how even u can spin the Goodwin signing favourably. Fair play for trying tho!
 
Mystery Yellow said:
I know hindsight is a great thing as the afterthought but I was disappointed we didn’t pursue Joe Taylor at the time who was banging in goals for relegation threatened Colchester when we were linked with him in January but Des rejected that claim yet went on to score double figures for Lincoln whilst we couldn’t get a game out of Goodwin (& even Cheltenham fans warned us he was injury prone spending most of his time their in the treatment room)
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We did. Along with every other club in the top ten (at the time). He made the choice to go to Lincoln for personal reasons.
 
Scotchegg said:
He's been signed on a 3.5 year deal. If he scores 20 goals a season for the next three then it's been a fantastic signing.

As it stands, him not playing much this season hasn't cost us a thing in terms of promotion chances, unless you would have expected automatic promotion.
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I thought it was a 2.5 year deal with a 1 year option.

Happy to be proven wrong but I’m not sure we’ve got any player on a full contract beyond 2026.
 
Foley said:
Let's judge him next season.
Get him.fit and see how he goes
In my view we have been at least one striker short all season ( we have been very lucky that Harris has remained fit)
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Definitely I’m not writing this lad off i just thought at the time Joe Taylor was the better option in what we needed a poacher/goalscorer, I hope we can get Goodwin into the right shape ready to get a full pre season behind him then hopefully he hits the ground running next season, as you said we’ve been a striker short all season Perkins wasn’t someone we needed when we already had our own teenager learning his trade in O’Donkor,
 
IsleofWightYellow said:
I’m confused, which bit of the post you quoted said we weren’t two games away from promotion, or was generally negative about the season, manager or club‘s performance this season rather than a specific complaint?
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Discussions are very rarely about replying to direct quotes. There are views that are implied or a number of issues that present an impression of someone's opinion.

In this case the original poster, whilst being every dismissive of Goodwin's signing said that "we needed him for a promotion push". My response was that we are in the middle of a promotion push, and therefore haven't needed him up until now.

Of course that's not to say that a fit and in form Will Goodwin wouldn't have made things much easier, or that we wouldn't find ourselves desperate for someone to come off the bench to save/win our next two (hopefully) games.

It just seems to me that amongst all the positivity at the moment and the fact that our current team have got us to 90 minutes from Wembley, having a pop at a player who is not playing through no fault of his own, or a long term recruitment decision that may still come good, seems a little unnecessary.

Obviously there will be those who demand the right to post whatever they want and that any suggestion otherwise is trying to control the narrative and silence others! But each to their own.
 
TailsWeWin said:
£400k plus add ons if we got promoted and/or he scored some goals.
Cheltenham are laughing.
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How much has their relegation cost them? Arguably, no one has won out of this deal over the last few months. However, we have a player who could still become a huge asset during the remainder of his contract with us.
 
Scotchegg said:
Do you think that one of the many professionals at the club or the private medical care providers may have identified that surgery was required during his last 7 weeks rehab?
Scotchegg said:
He's been signed on a 3.5 year deal. If he scores 20 goals a season for the next three then it's been a fantastic signing.

As it stands, him not playing much this season hasn't cost us a thing in terms of promotion chances, unless you would have expected automatic promotion.
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I respect again that you kind find a positive from his signing. But for 400k it's a complete waste of resources again .He was needed in January with only one fit striker at the club .It was a poor recruitment .
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Scotchegg said:
Do you think that one of the many professionals at the club or the private medical care providers may have identified that surgery was required during his last 7 weeks rehab?
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I would definitely question the professionals .These departments need holding to an accountability for continued mistakes. We signed 3 injured players in January, there's nothing great about that .
 
Up The Manor said:
I would definitely question the professionals .These departments need holding to an accountability for continued mistakes. We signed 3 injured players in January, there's nothing great about that .
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Edwards was a calculated risk that cost the club absolutely nothing. Goodwin was a long term project that they were hoping would be able to make an impact this season but are working to be fully ready for a full campaign next season. Matete was one that didn't work out, however, I believe that the data suggested that he had recovered from his previous injury but that didn't translate to him getting up to speed on the pitch.
 
Has Goodwin made the contribution we'd hoped after signing him in January? No. Does that make him a bad signing for this season's promotion push? Probably. But does that make him a bad signing overall? It's too early to tell.

I think at the club we've not been used to signing players like Goodwin i.e. big money investments that are expected to hit the ground running, have a big impact in the first team, perform to a high level over a number of seasons and also increase his value by performances on the pitch. And because he hasn't hit the first point (and the second so far), he's been branded a failure.

At the club we're so used to either young players who will take time to develop, loan signings who will have first team impact, or fully-formed free or low-cost transfers we expect to have an immediate impact. Goodwin is something a little bit different, and is only 4 months into a 2.5 year deal (with a 1 year option).

Just like I was with Des, I'm willing to see him have a full pre-season and a few months of next season before making a full judgement call. It may be a long time for many, but I feel we'll only be able to make a full call on whether he's been a success a calendar year into him being at the club.
 
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