Manager/Coach Des Buckingham

Leysboy said:
One hit wonders.

A bit like fishing for a Jamie Vardy in non Lge.

Experienced heads do matter.

Lord Wilder was experienced in non Lge, and got us out of there. It can be done if you have the right people leading the recruitment process.
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What a load of nonsense. Last season Ipswich were the best team I've seen down here and have a shot of going straight up again under McKenna in his first manager role. They didn't win the league though because Plymouth did under Schumacher, in his first manager role. This season it looks like Pompey are going up with a chance of winning the league under Mous, in his first manager role. Lincoln are our main threat for the playoffs under Skubala in his first manager role (his background is in a different sport). Barnsley should be in there with a manager who's previous job was second tier in America. John Brady got Northampton up last year half a decade after his only other managerial job at Brackley finished.

That's a hell of a lot of one hit wonders just in the last 18 months, I'd say it's almost certain that in a couple of months time 75% of the teams automatically promoted from this league will have done so under young managers cutting their teeth and football is going more and more that way.

This isn't a defence of Des either, I don't think there would be anyone who's saying he's done a good job so far but the "you need an experienced manager" trope is complete nonsense and is proven to be just that. What we do need is some experienced help around him and the fact that the board have so spectacularly failed to do that isn't down to the manager.
 
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Shaun Rice said:
This is like debating if Iron Mike Tyson would’ve beaten AJ now! Actually it’s more absurd because there are so many factors to consider and also factors none of us can know. Existing and new Coaches, recruitment team, squad mentality, squad ability level, backing, money available. How our players would’ve taken to him etc etc. oh and that’s at both clubs!
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All I'm suggesting, and others at the time were, was that we should have got rid of Robinson much earlier (I'd have done it as soon as the previous season finished but bar a small handful on here most could see the writing was on the wall by October) and given it to Mous temporarily to start. He gets to take charge and we have first hand experience of how he'd cope at our club with players he already knows and have performed for him before when he had stepped in. If it hadn't worked then we would have been in no worse situation. It was a complete cock up.
Shaun Rice said:
Fact is Des doesn’t have the team behind him he really wants and our recruitment team have had an absolute mare!
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You'll get no arguments from me here, I'm not sure anyone on here has been as critical as I have about the lack of support he's been given. They got lucky when Manning and Hogg got us organised and with a strong tail wind had us second but generally everything they touch goes wrong. Tim especially is like King Midas, but rather than gold everything he touches turns to s**t.
 
I’m of the opinion that failure to make the play offs this season should see us part ways at the end of the season.

If we do make the top 6, I don’t think we are capable of beating any of the sides above us over 2 legs. If we manage to do that then that will be a big tick in Des favour in my opinion. Obviously a L1 play off final is a bit of a lottery.

If we make the play offs (which is the minimum from what was inherited) then Des deserves a summer to have an another crack at it next season.

Do you think I’m being fair there? @ECYellow
 
billyturleyscurlywurly said:
I’m of the opinion that failure to make the play offs this season should see us part ways at the end of the season.

If we do make the top 6, I don’t think we are capable of beating any of the sides above us over 2 legs. If we manage to do that then that will be a big tick in Des favour in my opinion. Obviously a L1 play off final is a bit of a lottery.

If we make the play offs (which is the minimum from what was inherited) then Des deserves a summer to have an another crack at it next season.

Do you think I’m being fair there? @ECYellow
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IF we make the play offs, then the odds would certainly be against us, but you never know in a kind of cup competition .
Was it Huddersfield who won the Championship play offs without scoring a goal ( and I think that they stayed up in the PL the next season).
 
billyturleyscurlywurly said:
I’m of the opinion that failure to make the play offs this season should see us part ways at the end of the season.

If we do make the top 6, I don’t think we are capable of beating any of the sides above us over 2 legs. If we manage to do that then that will be a big tick in Des favour in my opinion. Obviously a L1 play off final is a bit of a lottery.

If we make the play offs (which is the minimum from what was inherited) then Des deserves a summer to have an another crack at it next season.

Do you think I’m being fair there? @ECYellow
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What if we miss the playoffs by goal difference? A bit harsh to sack a guy for that. Or if we crawl feebly into them after Lincoln implode, do we have to keep Des for ever?
 
38yearsofpain said:
Comparing Manning to Buckingham in terms of style of play. Manning knew what his players were capable of and more importantly what they were not good at. Players were asked to play in their comfort zone, do the things they were good at, in a style they could understand. He was literally getting a quart out of a pint pot.
Buckingham just wants to play his way irrespective of his player skill sets. We concede goals because full backs are caught out of position. We make reckless passes out of defence because we no longer have a midfield of substance. Our defending of corners is bordering on suicidal.
The players are exposed game in game out, confidence is mostly shot away. The only players who prosper are the wide players because the whole plan is to feed them. I really wonder if this style can be sucessful in League 1. It worked in the Indian Premier League great, but I'm sure the overall management nous across this league is superior. We are nowhere near having the players to play that way. Indeed we need a complete rebuild to even try, a bit of tinkering will not do it.
We just look so easy to play against and teams quickly adapt to any subtle change of shape. Now we appear to be getting a pint out of a quart pot. We look to be on a journey to mid table mediocrity for time immemorial. Depressing is the only emotion.
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It’s funny though because the go to app Fotmob has Cameron Brannagan as the best player in league 1 on the season ratings ahead of so many good players. I massively think the new 4-1-4-1 formation is going to get the best out of our players with more defensive full backs hopefully making us more solid and the wingers hopefully creating more good or very good chances for Harris/Goodwin.
 
werthersoriginal said:
What if we miss the playoffs by goal difference? A bit harsh to sack a guy for that. Or if we crawl feebly into them after Lincoln implode, do we have to keep Des for ever?
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You either make the play offs or you don’t. Black or white for me in regards to that.

Most importantly with 5 games to go, it’s still in our hands. So let’s hope we do it!
 
billyturleyscurlywurly said:
I’m of the opinion that failure to make the play offs this season should see us part ways at the end of the season.

If we do make the top 6, I don’t think we are capable of beating any of the sides above us over 2 legs. If we manage to do that then that will be a big tick in Des favour in my opinion. Obviously a L1 play off final is a bit of a lottery.

If we make the play offs (which is the minimum from what was inherited) then Des deserves a summer to have an another crack at it next season.

Do you think I’m being fair there? @ECYellow
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You can be whatever you want to be.

I personally wouldn’t sack the manager after a VERY substantial outlay to acquire him and before giving him a summer window to shape the squad as he so chooses.

It’s clear that a style of play is developing with the out and out wingers and disciplined full backs. Things have begun to shape into what Des wants but that will take time.

The sheer number of injuries we have endured cannot be overlooked and I believe he will be better for this tricky start.
 
Too much time on my hands. Here is the league table since Des Buckingham took over. As everyone knows a mid table performance. Impressed with Reading's form lets hope they can beat Lincoln on Saturday. Lincoln replaced their manger on the 13th November 3 days before Des was appointed

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2023/24 League One Date Range: 16-NOV-2023 to 3-APR-2024​

Pos
Team​
PWDLGFGAWDLGFGAGDPts
1Derby County2592223138131972254
2Portsmouth2471220148421971850
3Barnsley2464317187402515947
4Lincoln City2565222763318102344
5Peterborough United23624271772219151443
6Bolton Wanderers24721301145515161840
7Reading2582326133541721940
8Northampton Town2673317124361928-439
9Leyton Orient2553513156241611338
10Blackpool2464121650812141337
11Stevenage245431284441615535
12Exeter City2546310115161421-834
13Wigan Athletic247331582361422-133
14Oxford United2554323153461322-132
15Wycombe Wanderers245442118245810129
16Cheltenham Town225241715335912-129
17Bristol Rovers2443513164171323-1328
18Shrewsbury Town2432710184351016-1426
19Charlton Athletic2525413152841821-525
20Cambridge United2342511133271323-1225
21Port Vale243371821227718-1420
22Burton Albion24318816246918-1720
23Fleetwood Town2524713191561123-1818
24Carlisle United2413813282191325-2713
 
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Roge said:
Too much time on my hands. Here is the league table since Des Buckingham took over. As everyone knows a mid table performance. Impressed with Reading's form lets hope they can beat Lincoln on Saturday. Lincoln replaced their manger on the 13th November 3 days before Des was appointed

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2023/24 League One Date Range: 16-NOV-2023 to 3-APR-2024​

Pos
Team​
PWDLGFGAWDLGFGAGDPts
1Derby County2592223138131972254
2Portsmouth2471220148421971850
3Barnsley2464317187402515947
4Lincoln City2565222763318102344
5Peterborough United23624271772219151443
6Bolton Wanderers24721301145515161840
7Reading2582326133541721940
8Northampton Town2673317124361928-439
9Leyton Orient2553513156241611338
10Blackpool2464121650812141337
11Stevenage245431284441615535
12Exeter City2546310115161421-834
13Wigan Athletic247331582361422-133
14Oxford United2554323153461322-132
15Wycombe Wanderers245442118245810129
16Cheltenham Town225241715335912-129
17Bristol Rovers2443513164171323-1328
18Shrewsbury Town2432710184351016-1426
19Charlton Athletic2525413152841821-525
20Cambridge United2342511133271323-1225
21Port Vale243371821227718-1420
22Burton Albion24318816246918-1720
23Fleetwood Town2524713191561123-1818
24Carlisle United2413813282191325-2713
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There's your reason why - as I've said previously - Ruben Selles should be our number one managerial target should Des depart. Was it 10 points Reading were deducted ? Stick that on and what an absolutely outstanding job he's done. Like the way Reading play too, lot of good technical players, lot of pace and move the ball quickly.
 
dickwalton1964 said:
There's your reason why - as I've said previously - Ruben Selles should be our number one managerial target should Des depart. Was it 10 points Reading were deducted ? Stick that on and what an absolutely outstanding job he's done. Like the way Reading play too, lot of good technical players, lot of pace and move the ball quickly.
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They have been deducted 6 points this season and if you add them on then they would be as high as…15th!
 
I dont see it as black and white as some people. If Lincoln implode and we stumble into the playoffs looking as clueless as we have at times because the other teams around us are equally as useless, then get buried by Bolton again, is that reason for him to carry on next season?
Or we could win every game except one playing magical football but get a couple of shocking decisions go against us when we play Lincoln and we miss out by a point or two. Yet he didnt make the play offs so he has to go.
The Bolton game again showed our midfield is desperate, he had to do something. Im not sure what he has done will work against a better team but we will soon find out and if it does we have every chance.
 
Steve Gilbert said:
They have been deducted 6 points this season and if you add them on then they would be as high as…15th!
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That's a great job from the bottom of the league. Look at the off field issues he has to contend with too. Anyone who doesn't think he's done an outstanding job doesn't have a clue what a good job done in football is!
 
dickwalton1964 said:
That's a great job from the bottom of the league. Look at the off field issues he has to contend with too. Anyone who doesn't think he's done an outstanding job doesn't have a clue what a good job done in football is!
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He’s had to contend with a lot and done a good job, but let’s not act like it’s a miracle he’s kept that squad up - Knibbs, Smith, Wing, Azeez, Savage, Button, Holmes. He had Abbey, McIntyre and Vickers who all got good moves in January as well.

It’s a thin squad and the off-field stuff will have had an impact, but he’s had far more quality at his disposal than anyone else in the relegation scrap so “outstanding” is pushing it.
 
Roge said:
Too much time on my hands. Here is the league table since Des Buckingham took over. As everyone knows a mid table performance. Impressed with Reading's form lets hope they can beat Lincoln on Saturday. Lincoln replaced their manger on the 13th November 3 days before Des was appointed

eng_leagueone.gif

2023/24 League One Date Range: 16-NOV-2023 to 3-APR-2024​

Pos
Team​
PWDLGFGAWDLGFGAGDPts
1Derby County2592223138131972254
2Portsmouth2471220148421971850
3Barnsley2464317187402515947
4Lincoln City2565222763318102344
5Peterborough United23624271772219151443
6Bolton Wanderers24721301145515161840
7Reading2582326133541721940
8Northampton Town2673317124361928-439
9Leyton Orient2553513156241611338
10Blackpool2464121650812141337
11Stevenage245431284441615535
12Exeter City2546310115161421-834
13Wigan Athletic247331582361422-133
14Oxford United2554323153461322-132
15Wycombe Wanderers245442118245810129
16Cheltenham Town225241715335912-129
17Bristol Rovers2443513164171323-1328
18Shrewsbury Town2432710184351016-1426
19Charlton Athletic2525413152841821-525
20Cambridge United2342511133271323-1225
21Port Vale243371821227718-1420
22Burton Albion24318816246918-1720
23Fleetwood Town2524713191561123-1818
24Carlisle United2413813282191325-2713
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Lincoln’s away record looks extremely formidable. Let’s hope we break the run for them. A draw is clearly no good to us, but I bet Lincoln would take it
 
Peterdev said:
Lincoln’s away record looks extremely formidable. Let’s hope we break the run for them. A draw is clearly no good to us, but I bet Lincoln would take it
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Lincoln will definitely take it. Assuming we go into that game where we both currently lie then Lincoln have two options on the result and we have just the one. Will be great, in the meantime, if results go our way and we too can go into that game happy with the draw.
 
Peterdev said:
Lincoln’s away record looks extremely formidable. Let’s hope we break the run for them. A draw is clearly no good to us, but I bet Lincoln would take it
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A draw could be ok if we are ahead of Lincoln when we play them.
 
Foley said:
A draw could be ok if we are ahead of Lincoln when we play them.
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If we’re still level after that game, 6 points from Cheltenham away and Portsmouth home is no certainty. I’d rather have Stevenage and Exeter, especially if Pompey haven’t won the league by then.

It’s a must not lose. If we draw that and win the other games, we’ll make the playoffs.
 
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