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tonyw said:
Just so that someone plays Devil's Advocate, and makes this a less-one sided conversation (because Essex doesn't seem to have his heart in it today).......

I actually do think that David Cameron is a smarter and more skilled politician than anyone else that Sunak could have logically drawn from within his MPs.
I saw him in action at a conference once, and he gave a ten minute speech on business policy without notes or autocue, and then answered a dozen questions from the audience (that I know were not planted, because my mate asked one!) smoothly and without hesitation, and with excellent recall of facts and policy.

He was a lousy leader because he's a snake who focused on playing political games (firstly in decimating the LibDems, then in trying to win back the fringes of his party from Farage) over the health of the country.

But I genuinely do think that he's smarter and more capable than most current Tory politicians.
In the same scenario, you likely would have gotten fact-free bluster from Boris, gibbering psychosis from Truss, and weird stuttering from Robot Rishi........

It's still utter, utter desperation from Sunak. But surely that's where the Tory party is right now?
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It makes absolutely no sense to me that Cameron, as possibly the last genuinely competent and long lasting PM we had, who will be the most popular recent PM of a bad bunch (he actually resigned honourably), would be asked by Sunak to return to government.

It strikes me that something bigger is going on here. I just can't see how Sunak would allow this. Someone somewhere thinks the return of Cameron as PM is the s**t or bust gamble of the century.

It's so mental that it just might work.
 
bashamwonderland said:
It makes absolutely no sense to me that Cameron, as possibly the last genuinely competent and long lasting PM we had, who will be the most popular recent PM of a bad bunch (he actually resigned honourably), would be asked by Sunak to return to government.

It strikes me that something bigger is going on here. I just can't see how Sunak would allow this. Someone somewhere thinks the return of Cameron as PM is the s**t or bust gamble of the century.

It's so mental that it just might work.
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Mad Nad was right! :D
 
bashamwonderland said:
It makes absolutely no sense to me that Cameron, as possibly the last genuinely competent and long lasting PM we had, who will be the most popular recent PM of a bad bunch (he actually resigned honourably), would be asked by Sunak to return to government.

It strikes me that something bigger is going on here. I just can't see how Sunak would allow this. Someone somewhere thinks the return of Cameron as PM is the s**t or bust gamble of the century.

It's so mental that it just might work.
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That’s the maddest and least exciting conspiracy theory ever.
 
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That’s the maddest and least exciting conspiracy theory ever.
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Haha - for me it comes second. For me the least exciting conspiracy theory ever is the Avril Lavigne replacement theory:

The Avril Lavigne replacement conspiracy theory is a conspiracy theory stating that Canadian singer Avril Lavigne died in 2003, shortly after the release of her successful first album, Let Go, and was replaced by a body double named Melissa Vandella.

Cracks me up every time I think about it. Like, why?
 
bashamwonderland said:
It makes absolutely no sense to me that Cameron, as possibly the last genuinely competent and long lasting PM we had, who will be the most popular recent PM of a bad bunch (he actually resigned honourably), would be asked by Sunak to return to government.

It strikes me that something bigger is going on here. I just can't see how Sunak would allow this. Someone somewhere thinks the return of Cameron as PM is the s**t or bust gamble of the century.

It's so mental that it just might work.
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Do you know, it could just be that as gaslighting has become their MO they are now gaslighting themselves and don't realise it.
 
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I think this has more to do with Greensill than bringing a "competent" " centerist" Tory back into the frontline.

Rishi's dabs are also all over that one, not just Cameron's, so maybe DC just fancied a top job after protecting Rishi from the worst of the fall out...which may still bring both of them down.

Alternatively, I may just have outNadded Mad Nad🤔
 
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Probably the most oddest, and overlooked appointment here is the creation of a ministerial role, tasked with openly creating more social injustice. Headed by Esther McVey.
 
Oslernorth said:
Probably the most oddest, and overlooked appointment here is the creation of a ministerial role, tasked with openly creating more social injustice. Headed by Esther McVey.
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Yeah...and we shouldn't overlook the fact that the new Health Secretary's husband is the Managing Director of British Sugar, or that the Environment Secretary's wife is Head of engagement at Anglian Water either.

#grubbytories
 
tonyw said:
Just so that someone plays Devil's Advocate, and makes this a less-one sided conversation (because Essex doesn't seem to have his heart in it today).......

I actually do think that David Cameron is a smarter and more skilled politician than anyone else that Sunak could have logically drawn from within his MPs.
I saw him in action at a conference once, and he gave a ten minute speech on business policy without notes or autocue, and then answered a dozen questions from the audience (that I know were not planted, because my mate asked one!) smoothly and without hesitation, and with excellent recall of facts and policy.

He was a lousy leader because he's a snake who focused on playing political games (firstly in decimating the LibDems, then in trying to win back the fringes of his party from Farage) over the health of the country.

But I genuinely do think that he's smarter and more capable than most current Tory politicians.
In the same scenario, you likely would have gotten fact-free bluster from Boris, gibbering psychosis from Truss, and weird stuttering from Robot Rishi........

It's still utter, utter desperation from Sunak. But surely that's where the Tory party is right now?
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Observant, moving (Phase 2) at the end of this week. Got a very long "to do" list. :)

Good summary. And DC was straight to work yesterday meeting an Indian minister who he has probably dealt with before and that counts for a lot in global affairs.

Meanwhile the various opposition parties are queuing up to say............................. "We aren`t them". :ROFLMAO:
 
Sheik djibouti said:
Yeah...and we shouldn't overlook the fact that the new Health Secretary's husband is the Managing Director of British Sugar, or that the Environment Secretary's wife is Head of engagement at Anglian Water either.

#grubbytories
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#enviousothers :ROFLMAO:

Nothing wrong with British Sugar, in moderation, and its better for the planet than shipping it from A N Other country where they rip out forests to grow it.... ;)

Anglian Water, making vast profits to ..... well..... reinvest in the better facilities/networks the ever growing population need.....
www.gazette-news.co.uk

Anglian Water investing more than £7 million to protect River Colne

The water company will be upgrading its Water Recycling Centres at Gosfield, Earls Colne and Eight Ash Green.
www.gazette-news.co.uk www.gazette-news.co.uk

And to pay the fines......
www.gov.uk

Anglian Water fined £2.65m* after sewage discharge into North Sea

Largest ever fine imposed for environmental offences in the East region.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk

**footnote alongside power and public transport, water (IMHO) should be state owned but its not and if you are a shareholder yada yada......
 
bashamwonderland said:
Haha - for me it comes second. For me the least exciting conspiracy theory ever is the Avril Lavigne replacement theory:

The Avril Lavigne replacement conspiracy theory is a conspiracy theory stating that Canadian singer Avril Lavigne died in 2003, shortly after the release of her successful first album, Let Go, and was replaced by a body double named Melissa Vandella.

Cracks me up every time I think about it. Like, why?
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Interestingly, Melissa Vandella is believed to be third in line for the soon-to-be-vacant Home Secretary position.

(Avril Lavigne is 9th)
 
Essexyellows said:
#enviousothers :ROFLMAO:

Nothing wrong with British Sugar, in moderation, and its better for the planet than shipping it from A N Other country where they rip out forests to grow it.... ;)

Anglian Water, making vast profits to ..... well..... reinvest in the better facilities/networks the ever growing population need.....
www.gazette-news.co.uk

Anglian Water investing more than £7 million to protect River Colne

The water company will be upgrading its Water Recycling Centres at Gosfield, Earls Colne and Eight Ash Green.
www.gazette-news.co.uk www.gazette-news.co.uk

And to pay the fines......
www.gov.uk

Anglian Water fined £2.65m* after sewage discharge into North Sea

Largest ever fine imposed for environmental offences in the East region.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk

**footnote alongside power and public transport, water (IMHO) should be state owned but its not and if you are a shareholder yada yada......
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Why would anyone be envious of the obesity crisis helped by lax regulation on a food industry producing cheap, shite convenience food, packed with way too much fat, salt and sugar in which BS have quite a big say?

Why would anyone be envious of what the Water companies have been allowed to do to our environment through decades of systematic defunding of regulators and systematic under-investment in infrastructure in favour of large dividends for shareholders. The "lets make stuff look really really shite, so that when we clean it up, it looks like we're the saviours" - Yeah - great work, but remind us who got it to that state in the first place:unsure:

Actually, I think you should offer your services to Anglian Water. The amount of shite you're prepared to swallow from these shysters is pretty impressive and I'm sure you could single handedly clean up our river system, given your capacity to keep on swallowing it:ROFLMAO:

No wonder the Tories love people like you. You're easy to manipulate as long as they keep dangling the carrot of self-interest in front of you. And having such low standards is precisely what has got us into the current mess.

As an footnote, I'm very surprised that DC is the kind of Tory you approve of. I'm pretty sure you didn't see it that way around 2016:unsure::ROFLMAO:

Meanwhile:
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ed-to-unplug-fridge-to-cope-with-rising-bills
and
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...osen-post-brexit-chemical-regulations-further

I anticipate more "fingers in the ears" type posturing in response . . .
 
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Essexyellows said:
Nothing wrong with British Sugar, in moderation, and its better for the planet than shipping it from A N Other country where they rip out forests to grow it.... ;)
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Yep, all those acres of home-grown sugarcane eh! Common sight all across the country.
 
Essexyellows said:
#enviousothers :ROFLMAO:

Nothing wrong with British Sugar, in moderation, and its better for the planet than shipping it from A N Other country where they rip out forests to grow it.... ;)

Anglian Water, making vast profits to ..... well..... reinvest in the better facilities/networks the ever growing population need.....
www.gazette-news.co.uk

Anglian Water investing more than £7 million to protect River Colne

The water company will be upgrading its Water Recycling Centres at Gosfield, Earls Colne and Eight Ash Green.
www.gazette-news.co.uk www.gazette-news.co.uk

And to pay the fines......
www.gov.uk

Anglian Water fined £2.65m* after sewage discharge into North Sea

Largest ever fine imposed for environmental offences in the East region.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk

**footnote alongside power and public transport, water (IMHO) should be state owned but its not and if you are a shareholder yada yada......
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Woo - a massive £7million in investment, slightly dwarfed by the £6.6billion in debt accrued that has mostly been used (over £4.5billion) to pay out dividends to shareholders over last decade.
 
Scotchegg said:
If everything is as wonderful as Essex suggests, you must wonder why opinion polls have the Tories projected to get absolutely destroyed in the next general election. Why isn't this positive message getting out to those up and down the country? Why would so many people want to vote to make things worse if the Tories are really the party of change?

Maybe it has something to do with people being able to look at every aspect of their lives and see that things are considerably worse than a few years ago. They will see mortgage payments going through the roof, rent following for those that haven't already lost their homes. Their weekly shopping costing nearly twice as much as a year ago and still going up. Fuel bills may not be going up at the rate they did a year ago, but millions will be genuinely scared of having the heating on in the next few months. Its almost impossible to see your GP, and then prescribed medication is harder to come by. Hospital waiting lists are no better. And some if those who are making decisions on our health we're those that happily turned a blind eye to the same Tories wanting to let covid wipe out the elderly. Schools are public buildings falling to bits. Prisons over crowded and needing to release prisoners early, or avoid locking them up in the first place. Thousands of cases taking over 2 years to come to court. The police being told who to arrest by the most hateful Home Secretary in history. Billions still wasted on housing migrants because the assessment process is not fit for purpose. The constant theme of blaming the most vulnerable to create division and hate. The homeless, those unable to work, foreigners. Our politics are being aimed at the hateful bigots rather than the millions or ordinary decent people, and they are the ones turning away from the Tories as a result.

Bring on a general election and we can all begin to sort this mess out once and for all.
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As long as our choices are only Labour or Conservative this mess will never be sorted out. All a bunch of career politicians who put self-interest ahead of the country, whether they're red or blue.
 
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