Stewart Donald anyone.....

Simon Bradders said:
Whose enjoying Oxford United taking these targets from under the noses of little old Sunderland? :p

Liam Kelly, Marcus Browne, how many more?
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Well Simon, it appears that you may have touched a nerve. Well played Sir!

Who is this toss pot?

Posted by an Oxford Fan Simon Bradders on their forum:- « Sunderland fans are another kind of arseholes. Unbelievably arrogant, I've come to the conclusion that they're actually the most deluded set of supporters in the entire football league pyramid. The team have turned a corner and they're...
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Perhaps you should pop onto their forum and explain your rationale further?
 
Wallop said:
Well Simon, it appears that you may have touched a nerve. Well played Sir!

Who is this toss pot?

Posted by an Oxford Fan Simon Bradders on their forum:- « Sunderland fans are another kind of arseholes. Unbelievably arrogant, I've come to the conclusion that they're actually the most deluded set of supporters in the entire football league pyramid. The team have turned a corner and they're...
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Perhaps you should pop onto their forum and explain your rationale further?
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let’s hope Donald asset strips them and no acquisitions this transfer window......well they do have that man who’s on fire Will ( I score for these tosspots ) Grigg
 
bazzer9461 said:
let’s hope Donald asset strips them and no acquisitions this transfer window......well they do have that man who’s on fire Will ( I score for these tosspots ) Grigg
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Really. Hoping that someone asset strips another club ?


I think that between SD and CM they did a lot to cut down extravagances and overpaid players to try and turn the club into a successful (promoted) and then saleable club.

Though seeing some old pictures recently the SOL is literally built on a (money) pit.
 
MarkG said:
Really. Hoping that someone asset strips another club ?


I think that between SD and CM they did a lot to cut down extravagances and overpaid players to try and turn the club into a successful (promoted) and then saleable club.

Though seeing some old pictures recently the SOL is literally built on a (money) pit.
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i wrote that because they’re a fickle lot ooop north SD I don’t think went to the sol without good intentions but these fickle lot are impatient they want everything done now...... they may not realise but it takes TIME.
but if they continue to abuse SD then sell the club for a profit but not untilJan 31st.
 
Ooooh id like them to pop back and read my post too please. I know forums tend to attract degenerate levels of debate but there’s not one incisive post on that thread. It’s akin to how teenagers argue but with a lower level of grammatical elegance,

They talk about their fans as if that wins trophies but I’m pretty sure their last trophy was a Cup in 1973 so anyone under 60 most likely hasn’t seen them win anything except lower league titles. Before that I doubt they’ve won anything since pre war.

Perhaps a quick reminder that we’ve won a major cup more recently than them. So for all our irrelevance their unwitting irony is that they’re defining their own irrelevance in their criticism.

The problem with talking to stupid is they rarely realise how dumb they are. As I said on my previous post their villainy of Donald is laughable. He’s been honest about his intent from the beginning but has hardly wronged the club and got them on a much surer foundation. They’re no lower down the circus than they were when he took over but with far lower overheads. Baffled as to the assets they’re accusing him of having stripped. And yet seemingly nobody willing to put fact on a page or articulate these whimsical accusations.

They have a sense of entitlement completely disproportionate to how everyone else sees them. Proving themselves to be perhaps rather more stereotypical premiership fans than I had realized with their grandiose visions and refusal to accept the bed they’ve made for themselves.

They’re also rather quick to make comparisons to our previous asset stripping owners as some sort of critical suggestion that we should know better than anyone ...indeed we do. And as such it’s patently obvious Donald is not a problem child owner.

As for the “large crowds” debate, akin to standing in a bar trying to tell everyone that despite your vacuous personality your todger is enormous so you deserve more free beer....theyre 2.5 hours from the nearest decent team. We are an hour from Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs, our population is half the size of Sunderlands, and a quarter if you take into account the transient student population.

But guess what....we’ve played across five divisions, seen it all, mingled with fans from all levels, had loads of great experiences and even in the conference days our fan base was unchanged and we pulled in capacity crowds. But never have we sat airing our dirty laundry and throwing tantrums in front of the rest of the school. Their fans appear to be perpetually depressed and resentful of their existence, harking to a distant past and imagined future to tolerate theirpersistent current reality
 
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I don't really get all the stick for Sunderland fans. We're enjoying a good run at the moment but it doesn't take long for this forum to go into meltdown if things are a bit off, the late HMRC payments for instance. While I want us to beat them on the pitch I feel some kind of solidarity with supporters who are suffering because of the whims of ownership. We've put up with more than our fair share over the years ....
 
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maidenheadox said:
I don't really get all the stick for Sunderland fans. We're enjoying a good run at the moment but it doesn't take long for this forum to go into meltdown if things are a bit off, the late HMRC payments for instance. While I want us to beat them on the pitch I feel some kind of solidarity with supporters who are suffering because of the whims of ownership. We've put up more than our fair share over the years ....
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It wasn't too long ago that we were suffering our own case of big club syndrome as we tumbled down the leagues. On previous incarnations of thos forum there were countless posts stating we were too big/too good to go down.
Countless examples of of the new owner/manager/player being the next messiah only for it all to turn to sh*t when we found out said individuals were not in fact the messiah (and some were quite naughty boys).

We've been there, done that. The Mackems current apoplexy and disbelief is akin to that we saw in the glorious Kemp or Patto or Talbot or Conference years. We learned the hard way that there is no such thing as too big or too good, only hard work, commitment and competence can turn around fortunes of a club.

They are very fortunate with what they have and would do well to remember that. Donald is a decent bloke, they should be careful what they wish for....their next owner could be the Mackem Kassam!
 
maidenheadox said:
I don't really get all the stick for Sunderland fans. We're enjoying a good run at the moment but it doesn't take long for this forum to go into meltdown if things are a bit off, the late HMRC payments for instance. While I want us to beat them on the pitch I feel some kind of solidarity with supporters who are suffering because of the whims of ownership. We've put up with more than our fair share over the years ....
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the point being they don’t have any Hmrc payment issues or any bad owner. In fact they haven’t got a clue. There real issue is that they’re further down the footballing pyramid than they’d like and they want to blame someone or something without actually rationalizing it.

Go and compare the quality of complaint when Kassam asset stripped us to what they’re putting up
 
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Ricky Otto said:
the point being they don’t have any Hmrc payment issues or any bad owner. In fact they haven’t got a clue. There real issue is that they’re further down the footballing pyramid than they’d like and they want to blame someone or something without actually rationalizing it.

Go and compare the quality of complaint when Kassam asset stripped us to what they’re putting up
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asset strip ?
 
Also disappointed the Times didn't continue the article on P.94. But life's one long disappointment on the road to ultimate extinction. Never mind.
 

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Kassam engineered a CVA to his benefit, not the clubs (or its creditors), "completed" the stadium to his benefit, not the clubs (other than the obvious we have a pitch to play on and stands to sit in), sold the Manor to himself for an extremely favorable price and then resold to double his money....for his benefit. Developed the land around Grenoble Rd for his benefit, not the clubs...all the time barely keeping us on life support and milking every pound he could out of the door OUFC unlocked for him...and to this day continues to deny assets to the club which could've seen things turn out quite differently....and still we can't maximise the benefit of the stadium, nor resolve issues around our longer term future and home.

So maybe we didn't have assets to strip because we were in quite a pickle, but things could have been so much more favorable given that we are ultimately the reason that Kassam has continued to profit from ventures in and around Oxford....it was more a case of asset denial....but there is no room for sentiment in business, I suppose.

Edit - I also forgot the systematic dismantling of our youth and scouting setups....so yeah, asset stripping in the sense that it was denying the club potential future income through financial strangulation.
 
Ricky Otto said:
the point being they don’t have any Hmrc payment issues or any bad owner. In fact they haven’t got a clue. There real issue is that they’re further down the footballing pyramid than they’d like and they want to blame someone or something without actually rationalizing it.

Go and compare the quality of complaint when Kassam asset stripped us to what they’re putting up
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We're being a little blinkered if we suggest Sunderland haven't a bad owner.

Remember the fallout on here when Charlie talked about Tiger not being able to afford the club, how it will have deferred payments and he'd need to borrow money from elsewhere? How he wouldn't be able to invest because he was skint etc?

Yet, SD had bought Sunderland with x amount upfront and the rest being paid from the parachute payments. He then sold Satori 20% of the club for £5m and has since borrowed another £10m from American investors using the entire club as collateral. He has made cuts to the infrastructure at the club, losing scouting networks and a number of personnel who had been at the club for years. SD has even spoken about repairs to the stadium and training ground being needed and that is where he will invest the borrowed money. Meanwhile, although there has been investment in the first team, this has been at the expense of losing players like Maja who was scoring for fun and bringing in Griggs (who ain't). We might see the fun loving decent guy that SD is, but he has left Sunderland in a much bigger mess than when he started and that took some doing.

Sunderland have their fair share of twatty fans, every club has. The difference is that they have a much bigger fan group and have had years of shite, so they come out in greater numbers. It's funny watching them have a meltdown over literally the smallest of things but let's not think that we're any better on here! Imagine having 10 x @Mellowyellow or a dozen @bazzer9461 at the beginning of each transfer window??!!
 
Scotchegg said:
Remember the fallout on here when Charlie talked about Tiger not being able to afford the club, how it will have deferred payments and he'd need to borrow money from elsewhere? How he wouldn't be able to invest because he was skint etc?
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Dear, the club was bought with deferred payments - the £4.2m Slippery has taken out (or can take out). Tiger has, thank xhrist, borrowed money from elsiewhere which has evidently enabled him to invest. You're winning hands down at the moment - don't gild the lily.
 
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