New Stadium Plans - The Triangle - Planning

[Orkney Islands Yellow]

Political suicide, they absolutely will think twice about turning away jobs and investment

Nah, they're safe in the knowledge football fans tend not to engage with local politics and the powerful North Oxford set and pro-cycling lobby will continue to vote them in.

 

[Carpy]

Nah, they're safe in the knowledge football fans tend not to engage with local politics and the powerful North Oxford set and pro-cycling lobby will continue to vote them in.

I think you’re wrong, but we shall see, it’s easy to talk a good game when there’s no decision to make

 

[Billyox]

Anyone remember when the council had to make a decision on the kassam we must of had 200-300 fans turn up maybe more and they the councillors absolutely bricked themselves

Edit
Thinking about it I think it was a green councillor who backtrack against his party to support it due to the sheer amount of ox fans in the town hall

 

[Concretebob]

Anyone remember when the council had to make a decision on the kassam we must of had 200-300 fans turn up maybe more and they the councillors absolutely bricked themselves

Edit
Thinking about it I think it was a green councillor who backtrack against his party to support it due to the sheer amount of ox fans in the town hall

Do The Green Party like anything new being built?!

Do they want us to live in caves or something?

 

[Oxymoron]

OCC won't allow that, it's no road closures at all. OCC and the LibDem/Green alliance who run it do not want this stadium so will not give any concessions on road closures.

The new buzz words are "diversions" and "marshalled" - no closures here.....

 

[MustardYellow]

Do The Green Party like anything new being built?!

Do they want us to live in caves or something?

Yes, but no making fires for warmth. Bad for the environment.

 

[holdsteady]

Why can’t some of the toilets have flexible allocation depending on the event? E.g for mens football a bunch of them could be swapped for men to use and then for an event with a higher female attendance change the sign over? Ok these ones will be cubicle only but I’m pretty sure at the O2 for boxing I’ve been in men’s toilets and they were only cubicles (most likely as they swapped them from women’s)

We could free more room in the toilets by having coke snorting facilities? Must be old phone boxes lying around that we could convert so would fit into the green ethos while freeing up cubicles for people to actually use to go for s**t/P**s?

 

[Billyox]

Do The Green Party like anything new being built?!

Do they want us to live in caves or something?

In their 2019 election manifesto One of their points was to build next to transport nodes umm exactly what we are trying to do

 

[holdsteady]

I fear very few councillors locally would think twice about killing OUFC.

It would be good if someone could point out in the press the cost in hundreds of millions of councillors doing that, then ask those councillors what the plan is to replace that lost money, how those councillors who are anti progress to win votes plan to fund anything in the future in the county when they have a policy of essentially burning money?

 

[holdsteady]

Anyone remember when the council had to make a decision on the kassam we must of had 200-300 fans turn up maybe more and they the councillors absolutely bricked themselves

Edit
Thinking about it I think it was a green councillor who backtrack against his party to support it due to the sheer amount of ox fans in the town hall

Is their any point in this process where/when we could do this?

 

[unification]

Nah, they're safe in the knowledge football fans tend not to engage with local politics and the powerful North Oxford set and pro-cycling lobby will continue to vote them in.

I'm with @Carpy on this. Whatever your colour in politics, to be seen as someone who is at the wheel as a football club goes to the wall is politically damaging. If OCC really hadn't cared about OUFC, why have they leased the club the land? They could have said no at the earliest opportunity.

The road closure/diversion/bridge thing is an aspect I simply don't know which way things will turn. If a bridge is deemed unsafe or unsuitable but a temporary road closure is deemed the best option, that can't be one point to derail all of this, can it? It would be unduly harsh to throw out a colossal project of this side for a detail that reduces road travel.

Cllr Miller can wave his finger all he likes. As I've mentioned before on this thread, he talks big but what he demands of the club is what the club has to do anyway.

I still don't think that the club's position on this has helped by suggesting there would be one, taking it out, putting forward an alternative and now applying for a bridge has been helpful. The communication regarding the number of hours roads would be closed for and events at the stadium hasn't helped either. There's been a lot of good, professional work in the application up to now but the rockiest and least convincing parts (aside from finance which is on the owners) is with the access from Parkway to the new stadium site.

 

[holdsteady]

If a very temporary road diversion of private cars a few off peak times a year is enough to derail a huge investment project then (even ignoring the fact that road closures in the less wealthy parts are now the norm) you are not far from declaring Oxfordshire closed to business for large scale investment, which obviously has huge implications which all the councillors who are anti need to answer for in public.

Allowing a few vocal, wealthy nimbys to dominate the political landscape to such a degree that they impoverish everyone else is something that needs to be looked into, especially given the questionable motives of some of those nimbys and their political lackeys.

 

[Billyox]

Is their any point in this process where/when we could do this?

After 21st June if approved it will then go back to occ to decide if we have met the conditions it will be then

 

[Foley]

I'm with @Carpy on this. Whatever your colour in politics, to be seen as someone who is at the wheel as a football club goes to the wall is politically damaging. If OCC really hadn't cared about OUFC, why have they leased the club the land? They could have said no at the earliest opportunity.

The road closure/diversion/bridge thing is an aspect I simply don't know which way things will turn. If a bridge is deemed unsafe or unsuitable but a temporary road closure is deemed the best option, that can't be one point to derail all of this, can it? It would be unduly harsh to throw out a colossal project of this side for a detail that reduces road travel.

Cllr Miller can wave his finger all he likes. As I've mentioned before on this thread, he talks big but what he demands of the club is what the club has to do anyway.

I still don't think that the club's position on this has helped by suggesting there would be one, taking it out, putting forward an alternative and now applying for a bridge has been helpful. The communication regarding the number of hours roads would be closed for and events at the stadium hasn't helped either. There's been a lot of good, professional work in the application up to now but the rockiest and least convincing parts (aside from finance which is on the owners) is with the access from Parkway to the new stadium site.

The other thing to bear in mind, is that cash is extremely tight for the Councils at the moment.
To kill the football club would be very expensive for KPC and CDC. Business Rates would be lost as well, of course, would be the financial assistance with regard to SB.
I still believe that the Councils would like to have world class facilities ( for the County rather than for the University).

I can't believe that the Councils will willingly kill the football club over some very short term road closures that seem commonplace in.most of the Country.

 

[MustardYellow]

If a very temporary road diversion of private cars a few off peak times a year is enough to derail a huge investment project then (even ignoring the fact that road closures in the less wealthy parts are now the norm) you are not far from declaring Oxfordshire closed to business for large scale investment, which obviously has huge implications which all the councillors who are anti need to answer for in public.

Allowing a few vocal, wealthy nimbys to dominate the political landscape to such a degree that they impoverish everyone else is something that needs to be looked into, especially given the questionable motives of some of those nimbys and their political lackeys.

I'm not all that familiar with the roads in Kidlington (other than driving past), but will the proposed road closures cause problems for people either being picked up from the stadium or trying to leave/arrive at the park and rides?

 

[Billyox]

I'm not all that familiar with the roads in Kidlington (other than driving past), but will the proposed road closures cause problems for people either being picked up from the stadium or trying to leave/arrive at the park and rides?

I've not been through all of the documents before they came out there was talking of pick up/drop off points on frieze way but that might of changed.

 

[Concretebob]

I can't believe that the Councils will willingly kill the football club over some very short term road closures that seem commonplace in.most of the Country.

If the stadium is dumped on this issue, then Oxfordshire might as well give up and only let wealthy people live in the county.

 

[Billyox]

They say half an hour before and half hour after you would think by half 2 on a Saturday Oxford park way would be full and most people if not all would of crossed the road by then. Put signs up on a44 a40 a34 saying parkway full use alternative p&r would there be a need to close it before

 

[Oxymoron]

An overview of the project can be found in the "Non-Technical Summary" document on the CDC planning portal - section 10 deals with transport and access with abroad brush.

A more detailed description is to be found in the "Match Day Interim Travel Plan (ES Volume 3 Appendix 10.2, Section 6). This will be the copy that the Planning Inspector has to read, digest and understand, so it goes into minutiae concerning who, what and where for the envisaged policy.

It's a tough read but it answers so many questions.

 

[holdsteady]

I'm not all that familiar with the roads in Kidlington (other than driving past), but will the proposed road closures cause problems for people either being picked up from the stadium or trying to leave/arrive at the park and rides?

Will it cause any more problems than the countless other events that take place, a lot with many more people attending, around the country all year round? If all those events, or varying types and sizes, can happen then what is exceptional about this road? A road which has a viable alternative?

You can always find a problem in any potential project, doesn’t mean that kiboshing it and ignoring viable solutions is the way to go.

As said above this is now as much about whether the county of Oxfordshire is an inclusive place for everyone to live in now as it is about a football ground, the councillors in the pockets of an absolutely tiny, wealthy nimby elite who pretend to be green to try to exercise control should be aware of how they look at the moment.