National News King Charles III proclamation fails

[Marked Ox]

To keep it separate from the more serious threads.

They maybe should have considered substituting in a better public speaker! Liz Truss has competition.

 

[Essexyellows]

Sorry - wasn`t a fail in Leicester but I`ll jump in anyway!

Presented by Mehmooda Duke CBE, County Council Chair, a Muslim woman, supported by a black City Lord Mayor, my mate George C, and Asian High Sheriff Michael Kapur OBE.

Very reflective of how the country has developed under HMQ`s reign.

 

[OUFCGav]

To keep it separate from the more serious threads.

They maybe should have considered substituting in a better public speaker! Liz Truss has competition.

got to say it seems a spurious use of a copyright claim by the council in getting that taken down.

 

[OUFCGav]

People being arrested for shouting "who voted for him", and in another case a solicitor being warned by the police for holding up a blank bit of paper seem like a fail in a working democracy.

 

[Essexyellows]

People being arrested for shouting "who voted for him", and in another case a solicitor being warned by the police for holding up a blank bit of paper seem like a fail in a working democracy.

Except they are almost all 100% over hyped by those with an agenda, rather than seeing it as good policing.

You can be arrested for your own protection especially if you are on the verge of a kicking from an emotional crowd. Applies to two cases one in Scotland and (shamefully), one in Oxford. Good policing.

A police officer telling someone the consequences of writing something on said blank paper isn`t a warning its a statement of fact, good policing.

The Parliamentary estate has specific controls in place, and rightly so, eg: you can`t stand in front of the gates, or on the HoP pavement to protest, but you can protest on Parliament Square opposite which is where the woman was directed too with her poorly written sign. The Police used "intimidation of presence" to move her rather than getting hands on, good policing.

Maybe folk should support those trying to uphold the law and look after everyone?

 

[Sarge]

as probably not 'appropriate' for the Queen D-Day thread.... here's a thought, currently most royal mail post boxes have the logo ER11PO, wonder if they'll change to C3PO?

 

[ZeroTheHero]

Here's a thought. When I was a kid, it was pre-decimal so your coins were a mixture of those with the queen on them plus her dad plus various other Edwards etc and even an occasional Victoria penny. Those under 50 or so will (post decimal) only have ever seen money with the queen on it - I guess that will all change now.

 

[Big Ron]

Sorry - wasn`t a fail in Leicester but I`ll jump in anyway!

Presented by Mehmooda Duke CBE, County Council Chair, a Muslim woman, supported by a black City Lord Mayor, my mate George C, and Asian High Sheriff Michael Kapur OBE.

Very reflective of how the country has developed under HMQ`s reign.

Surely you mean 'while she reigned', rather than under her reign - your implication is that she was personally responsible in some way. Reining (no pun intended) myself in here but there is a wider conversation about privilege, perpetuation of the class system and levelling up - one for another time I think.

 

[m]

Here's a thought. When I was a kid, it was pre-decimal so your coins were a mixture of those with the queen on them plus her dad plus various other Edwards etc and even an occasional Victoria penny. Those under 50 or so will (post decimal) only have ever seen money with the queen on it - I guess that will all change now.

Britain went decimal before I was born but I do remember the shilling and 2 shilling coins with George VI on them being used as 5p and 10p coins.

 

[Essexyellows]

Surely you mean 'while she reigned', rather than under her reign - your implication is that she was personally responsible in some way. Reining (no pun intended) myself in here but there is a wider conversation about privilege, perpetuation of the class system and levelling up - one for another time I think.

Its the stability the Monarchy brings that helps.
In 70+ years she has listened too & advised/supported 15 PM`s from across the spectrum.
Being born into privilege is, in itself, continuity, but even that system gets "watered down" and changes over a very long period of time.

A lived example of levelling up and privilege:
Our family company was established by 2 brothers in 1784, and has benefited (levelled up) many generations since.
It could also be said that all the subsequent generations have been born into privilege.
Today, despite expansion of the businesses into many other areas, the board are considering stopping the default, that all children of the current family get their "share" when they reach majority. That has already been moved from 18 to 25 to slow the dilution.
Up until 1945 or so only male heirs got a "share" so there are current board members that still know those "old" values and also how they have changed.

Life eh?

 

[OUFCGav]

Except they are almost all 100% over hyped by those with an agenda, rather than seeing it as good policing.

You can be arrested for your own protection especially if you are on the verge of a kicking from an emotional crowd. Applies to two cases one in Scotland and (shamefully), one in Oxford. Good policing.

A police officer telling someone the consequences of writing something on said blank paper isn`t a warning its a statement of fact, good policing.

The Parliamentary estate has specific controls in place, and rightly so, eg: you can`t stand in front of the gates, or on the HoP pavement to protest, but you can protest on Parliament Square opposite which is where the woman was directed too with her poorly written sign. The Police used "intimidation of presence" to move her rather than getting hands on, good policing.

Maybe folk should support those trying to uphold the law and look after everyone?

but the guy in Oxford wasn't being arrested for "his own protection", there was no threat to him (other than some harrumphing) it was an overstep for a non-incident.
The solicitor with the blank piece of paper was mainly "de-escalated" by the police realising they had bitten off more than they can chew with their overstep by taking on someone that knew the law. Should someone holding up a phone to take a photo also be warned/told the consequences because it could potentially be used to show a message that could potentially cause offence to someone somewhere?
There may be people that overstep, but there is a fundamental threat if the police are intimidating law-abiding protestors in that way.

 

[OUFCGav]

Its the stability the Monarchy brings that helps.
In 70+ years she has listened too & advised/supported 15 PM`s from across the spectrum.
Being born into privilege is, in itself, continuity, but even that system gets "watered down" and changes over a very long period of time.

A lived example of levelling up and privilege:
Our family company was established by 2 brothers in 1784, and has benefited (levelled up) many generations since.
It could also be said that all the subsequent generations have been born into privilege.
Today, despite expansion of the businesses into many other areas, the board are considering stopping the default, that all children of the current family get their "share" when they reach majority. That has already been moved from 18 to 25 to slow the dilution.
Up until 1945 or so only male heirs got a "share" so there are current board members that still know those "old" values and also how they have changed.

Life eh?

But your family, although "privileged" has not used their inherited "privilege" to have laws altered to benefit themselves I assume. They are not exempted from inheritance taxes (and indeed their estates kept officially secret in exemption from the requirement that they be published, decided by private court sessions where there can be no representation or reporting), their workplace is not exempt from certain H&S and equality laws (160 laws in total since 1967)? Police are allowed to enter their premises (with warrant if required) without their express permission to investigate crime?

 

[Big Ron]

Its the stability the Monarchy brings that helps.
In 70+ years she has listened too & advised/supported 15 PM`s from across the spectrum.
Being born into privilege is, in itself, continuity, but even that system gets "watered down" and changes over a very long period of time.

A lived example of levelling up and privilege:
Our family company was established by 2 brothers in 1784, and has benefited (levelled up) many generations since.
It could also be said that all the subsequent generations have been born into privilege.
Today, despite expansion of the businesses into many other areas, the board are considering stopping the default, that all children of the current family get their "share" when they reach majority. That has already been moved from 18 to 25 to slow the dilution.
Up until 1945 or so only male heirs got a "share" so there are current board members that still know those "old" values and also how they have changed.

Life eh?

Seriously, "being born into privilege is, in itself, continuity" - do you actually believe this guff?

 

[ZeroTheHero]

Britain went decimal before I was born but I do remember the shilling and 2 shilling coins with George VI on them being used as 5p and 10p coins.

Yes, you are right of course, there was a short crossover period. But for many now well into adulthood, they won't have seen any of those either!

 

[SteMerritt]

Yes, you are right of course, there was a short crossover period. But for many now well into adulthood, they won't have seen any of those either!

Not sure the crossover period was that short tbf, I remember seeing the King's head on coins well into the 1980s before they all disappeared.

 

[Sheik djibouti]

Not sure the crossover period was that short tbf, I remember seeing the King's head on coins well into the 1980s before they all disappeared.

Later than that!

"The shilling and two-shilling coins - used for 5p and 10p - were brought out of circulation in 1990 and 1992 respectively. For about ten years after decimalisation, the term 'New Pence' was used to distinguish newly-minted coins from the old pennies."

https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/manusc...g and two-shilling,coins from the old pennies.

 

[SteMerritt]

Later than that!

"The shilling and two-shilling coins - used for 5p and 10p - were brought out of circulation in 1990 and 1992 respectively. For about ten years after decimalisation, the term 'New Pence' was used to distinguish newly-minted coins from the old pennies."

https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/manuscriptsandspecialcollections/researchguidance/weightsandmeasures/money.aspx#:~:text=The shilling and two-shilling,coins from the old pennies.

Wow, didn't realise it went on for quite that long, but it was certainly a fairly common sight when I was growing up.

 

[Essexyellows]

In similar news............ PNE implement a life ban on a fan who posted his opinions on social media.

Step too far or a private business exercising their right to exclude people?

 

[Essexyellows]

Seriously, "being born into privilege is, in itself, continuity" - do you actually believe this guff?

Its part of the nations heritage - nothing to do with "guff".

It has happened, it does happen and is most unlikely to stop while we are around it just evolves.

So take some modern, high achieving, high nett worth individual, be they footballer, racing driver, merchant banker or whatever - their children, grand children and more are unlikely to be "hard up" and will have been born into a form of privilege.

 

[SteMerritt]

In similar news............ PNE implement a life ban on a fan who posted his opinions on social media.

Step too far or a private business exercising their right to exclude people?

Do you have a link to that story? (not a link to someone gobbing off on Twitter, a proper news source) I can't see anything on their website about it.