Potential New Ground

[werthersoriginal]

Yea

It's all in the Tory brainwashing

It’s not just a Tory project. Every country needs to update its infrastructure, most of our railways are Victorian. Many European countries have new high speed lines.

 

[Sheik djibouti]

Yea

It’s not just a Tory project. Every country needs to update its infrastructure, most of our railways are Victorian. Many European countries have new high speed lines.

Yep - and have had them for many a year too.

Reality is we are getting to a point when we don;t need them so much because actually physically travelling from A to B quickly is not nearly as essential as it was then.

And that trend is only going to go in one direction for the forseeable I think.


And by the time people want or need to go from A to B again, we'll have finally invented a decent flying car and won;t need iron roads anyway

 

[Essexyellows]

Pragmatism definition... if you wasted billions already, then its a good idea to waste further billions?

Pragmatism .... its not stopping no matter who is in power.
By the time of the next GE ( the only chance we can influence the progress) Keir can be promising to "Stop HS2" but we will be further down the road than we are now.
Started by Brown in 2009 its already been going for 12 years and survived one review.

Its happening and we are footing the bill - that is pragmatism, don`t worry about what you can`t change.

 

[Essexyellows]

Where are these suitable HS2 stations between Birmingham and London? I didn't think there were any (correct me if I'm wrong). So, how does it really benefit anyone living between the two cities? Not sure where the 'wherever' is.... Brum or London?

If its the high speed trains causing current capacity issues, then just take them off to get more frequent local services [emoji846]

Sorry you have your London/The Shires blinkers on ..... there is life North of Birmingham.
Serves 25 connecting stations, although the more general idea is that it moves quickly rather than stopping frequently....hence the name.
Have a look.... the idea is to get you Southern folk up North quicker and vice versa.

In your area map - HS2

Search our interactive In Your Area Map to find information about current or planned HS2 construction works taking place across the route.

www.hs2.org.uk

 

[Sheik djibouti]

Sorry you have your London/The Shires blinkers on ..... there is life North of Birmingham.
Serves 25 connecting stations, although the more general idea is that it moves quickly rather than stopping frequently....hence the name.
Have a look.... the idea is to get you Southern folk up North quicker and vice versa.

In your area map - HS2

Search our interactive In Your Area Map to find information about current or planned HS2 construction works taking place across the route.

www.hs2.org.uk

About as appealing as going to Bicester to watch the U's.....

 

[ljs]

Sorry you have your London/The Shires blinkers on ..... there is life North of Birmingham.
Serves 25 connecting stations, although the more general idea is that it moves quickly rather than stopping frequently....hence the name.
Have a look.... the idea is to get you Southern folk up North quicker and vice versa.

In your area map - HS2

Search our interactive In Your Area Map to find information about current or planned HS2 construction works taking place across the route.

www.hs2.org.uk

Go ahead north of Birmingham if you must.

Regarding the London to Birmingham part with no stops on the way, so not benefitting any southerners, apart from those very close to, or south east of London. Waste of effort and money for little gain for very few, but plenty of damage.

 

[Thomas/Brock/Jones]

Go ahead north of Birmingham if you must.

Regarding the London to Birmingham part with no stops on the way, so not benefitting any southerners, apart from those very close to, or south east of London. Waste of effort and money for little gain for very few, but plenty of damage.

The whole point is speed and suburban stops completely defeats that objective . The lines that we have already will benefit from more paths created due to HS2 . It will be a success but will take a longer term perspective before its seen to obviously be I feel

 

[m]

There were quite a lot of protests, it was re-routed to avoid Otmoor due to one of them.

Indeed: Such as this (link)

 

[m]

Best you`ve got?

Look it up..... its a fact.

England has 52,000 ancient woodland sites. 43 are affected by HS2 between London and Crewe, of which over 80% will remain intact.

Many of the oft cited 100+ are 500 metres or more away from the route, HS2 (us!) are putting £7 million into a Woodland Fund to replace the small amount lost as well as planting 7 million trees to connect current woodlands.

Lousy argument: 'yes, but look at all the woods we're not destroying!'.

You can't just plant trees to replace ancient woodland, not unless you've got 400 years to spare.

 

[Yellowmania]

Best you`ve got?

Look it up..... its a fact.

England has 52,000 ancient woodland sites. 43 are affected by HS2 between London and Crewe, of which over 80% will remain intact.

Many of the oft cited 100+ are 500 metres or more away from the route, HS2 (us!) are putting £7 million into a Woodland Fund to replace the small amount lost as well as planting 7 million trees to

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-48351611
Yep, and HS2 have a great track record on planting trees don’t they!
And I’ve seen first hand last year the same happening still which was reported to them.

 

[Marked Ox]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-48351611
Yep, and HS2 have a great track record on planting trees don’t they!
And I’ve seen first hand last year the same happening still which was reported to them.

And planting some trees isn't an ancient woodland either which takes 100s of years to develop. Ancient woodland includes the whole ecosystem, not just old trees.

 

[Sheik djibouti]

This thread on potential new ground seems to have gone into a siding[emoji848]

 

[Essexyellows]

Man has been removing Ancient Woodland for centuries, it`s not a new thing!
At least this time around we mitigate that FOR THE FUTURE and have more woodland now than in Medieval times when timber was used for everything.

Woodland back to ‘medieval levels’

Britain’s woodland cover has returned to medieval levels thanks to 20th-century forestry and the “rewilding” trend. The area of woodland is about 3.19 million hectares, according to the Forestry Commission. This represents 13 per cent of the land area, or 10 per cent in England, 15 per cent in W

www.thetimes.co.uk

Amazingly, in 400 years, todays woodland will be ancient, as long as we replace it.

 

[Marked Ox]

Man has been removing Ancient Woodland for centuries, it`s not a new thing!
At least this time around we mitigate that FOR THE FUTURE and have more woodland now than in Medieval times when timber was used for everything.

Woodland back to ‘medieval levels’

Britain’s woodland cover has returned to medieval levels thanks to 20th-century forestry and the “rewilding” trend. The area of woodland is about 3.19 million hectares, according to the Forestry Commission. This represents 13 per cent of the land area, or 10 per cent in England, 15 per cent in W

www.thetimes.co.uk

Amazingly, in 400 years, todays woodland will be ancient, as long as we replace it.

So only a 400 year wait then to replace what is a very limited habitat, which supports lots of species which may no longer be around if we keep cutting the current ancient woodland down.

 

[Matt W]

This thread on potential new ground seems to have gone into a siding[emoji848]

Shunted

 

[holdsteady]

So only a 400 year wait then to replace what is a very limited habitat, which supports lots of species which may no longer be around if we keep cutting the current ancient woodland down.

So impatient

 

[windmill]

as you say - vanity.
Boris Island airport, the garden bridge, new routemaster buses, bridge to France, the bridge to link Scotland and Ireland (going over a trench filled with WW2 explosives), the tunnel linking Scotland to Ireland.....he def likes to spaff money up the wall on big things.

Big things meaning vaccines. Clearly more money being wasted.

 

[OUFCGav]

Big things meaning vaccines. Clearly more money being wasted.

doesn't distract from the sort of project he likes to be associated with.
and, if you are being picky there are questions about it. uk has bought more than 400 million doses of vaccine - which is far more than we actually require, and we have paid more per dose than almost any other country.

 

[Essexyellows]

So only a 400 year wait then to replace what is a very limited habitat, which supports lots of species which may no longer be around if we keep cutting the current ancient woodland down.

Do you think humanity was thinking about or mitigating the impact when they were decimating woodland to build houses, transport & boats in the 14th century and beyond?
Of course not, however we have learnt and we try and turn things around but yes, amazingly, a 400 year old habitat probably takes 400 years to re-establish.

The problem exists when the damage is not acknowledged and mitigated.

Take a look at those far off lands with no mitigation from clearance but as long as 2 Avocado's are only £1.99 in Waitrose the vegan yoghurt knitters are happy.

 

[Foley]

doesn't distract from the sort of project he likes to be associated with.
and, if you are being picky there are questions about it. uk has bought more than 400 million doses of vaccine - which is far more than we actually require, and we have paid more per dose than almost any other country.

Mmm. Not sure that many would argue against the vaccine strategy.
Most of these were ordered before they had been approved.
I also don't buy at all the paying more per dose
The vast majority to date have been Astra Zenica which are massively cheaper than he other major vaccines.
Many of the European countries (especially as they seem to be scaremongering against Astra Zenica) will be paying far more per dose than the UK