Paul Cannell
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Odd how the Labour Party's enemies are so interested to debate how it should be organised.
The Labour Party now have to face the uncomfortable truth, that despite all the warning signs that they were going to suffer humiliation at this GE, They stumbled on into it with the wrong leader, the wrong policies and the wrong messages.
Surely, surely, out there on the streets of Anytown, Labour activists ears echoed with the deafening sound of rejection?
How did they fail to see the abyss of opinion that lay between them and their electorate beforehand?
I fail to see how a party can be so adrift of their electorate from within.
What credible reason can there now be for Jeremy Corbyn to remain in charge?
The very start of rebuilding needs for him to resign immediately, not for him to use his withering influence to select an ‘approved’ successor/clone to his broken movement.
I'm not a fan of the Lib Dems but it's not great in a democracy that you can increase your vote share and have less seats. The Green Party had over 600,000 votes but for one seat. If we had PR they would probably get a lot more, as in the current system people don't want to waste votes. What our voting system does do generally (not in recent years) is allow a one party government who are more able to implement their policies so they function more smoothly. PR does give you situations like is currently happening in Israel where they can't form a government but on balance I would go with PR. It would allow the government to better reflect the majority of public as opposed to the current system. The current government doesn't do this.Ah, this old dead horse. Let's give the poor old b****r a flog. I put it to you that the reason we have a representative democracy is to moderate the views of the people so that they can't get up to mischief that their betters wouldn't like. Same reason the wealthy are so keen to own media and manipulate mass communications. Give the voter a simple choice and lead him to it by the nose.
The election reflects the moderated voice of the people, it reflects the common mood perfectly - just like in 1914 when a generation rushed into the trenches to be slaughtered. A terrible, sad waste.
I’d be happier with a credible opposition to BJ. There seems to be a paucity of candidates unfortunately.
I am not so sure Starmer or Jess Phillips would have the charisma or following of their MPs
Labour failed, I think, because they couldn’t connect the voters, especially Corbyn. Johnson was laborious with his message to get brexit done. Voters were fed up with the paralysis.
The Liberals were a real let down, and got bogged down with revoking article 50.
It seems like many of Labours politicians are opposed to Corbyn, as were the voters.
Im still concerned as to whether Boris can be trusted though.
So what exactly is the point of the Labour Party in its current guise?Don’t forget the vacuous face of New Labour at the end of the table. Take your time Jezza, don’t cave in to the pressure for a quick leader ship election, it is not the job of the Party to provide cheap headlines. A considered Leadership debate with coherent candidate is what is required.
Am I the only one who is bemused by the fact of a member of our privileged Class ‘lending’ from among the poorest their votes to ensure his Class maintain their privileged position and the depth of their wallet? Having said that, I hope to be among the first to try out the new cycle-track in Wakefield as communication gaps between the north and London are tackled.
It no longer has one beyond making narcissistic fools on social media feel as though they’re superior. The Labour Party has become the hip new accessory for the Twitter and Instagram generation, aimed primarily at people under the age of 30 who want to see who can shout loudest about being the most progressive and liberal, or as they often refer to such things nowadays, ‘woke’. It’s been turned into a fashion statement for a generation that holds little value for anything, as they’ve been raised in a digital world where everything is free and available at the touch of a button, and reality is whatever it is that they choose to make it. As a result, they will almost certainly not get back into power until at least the 2030’s.So what exactly is the point of the Labour Party in its current guise?
I agree Pete, but it appears that manh of those who will make the decisions about going forwards are in denial.I think everyone can (or at least should) accept that Labour is deep in the doldrums, with a leadership that still doesn't really believe it needs to apologise for the debacle.
Keep your eye on Wes Streeting, 36 year old Labour MP for Ilford North. Possibly a future leader, certainly a future shadow cabinet member. Talks intelligently, humbly and modestly and I found myself agreeing with everything he's said in the media over the last couple of days. A rare jewel in a party that needs to rebuild around his ilk.
It’ll need more than a couple of days to help it along, but there does seem a new optimism which could well result in markets doing really well.Bloody hell! If a change in share price in the space of a week allows you to retire, you must have a helluva portfolio. Good on ya.
Yep....Labour are screwed until the whole Labour movement own the magnitude of this defeat and accept they have set the wrong course (starting with electing the wrong Milliband nearly a decade ago - fun fact: Ed Millbands margin of victory then was LESS than the Brexit referendum!) and are currently unelectable. The Jonathan Pie video posted by @Essexyellows above is absolutely spot on. Until they get out of their Social Media, Guardian/Islington bubble, their irrelevance to everyone else will only fester and spread.I agree Pete, but it appears that manh of those who will make the decisions about going forwards are in denial.
It no longer has one beyond making narcissistic fools on social media feel as though they’re superior. The Labour Party has become the hip new accessory for the Twitter and Instagram generation, aimed primarily at people under the age of 30 who want to see who can shout loudest about being the most progressive and liberal, or as they often refer to such things nowadays, ‘woke’. It’s been turned into a fashion statement for a generation that holds little value for anything, as they’ve been raised in a digital world where everything is free and available at the touch of a button, and reality is whatever it is that they choose to make it. As a result, they will almost certainly not get back into power until at least the 2030’s.