Jorginho?Other than Donnarumma, Acerbi and Verratti I've not heard of this Italian team. For a good 15 years I would be able to name a full strength Italian side.
I'm not sure if I'm old, they're now shite, or a bit of both...
Wycombe would have 11 red cardsThis ref needs a go in league one if he wants to see some time wasting.
And they might have still got a point from the gameWycombe would have 11 red cards
Probably a sign of how far we have come that we are griping about an away win to Italy in a competitive game though, might not have qualified for the World Cup but they are still European Champions.
@tonyw you’re using 44 years of stats of which 40 years are irrelevant. This new crop have something more and keep getting better. We bossed the French, we’ve beaten Italy away, our expectations are increasing and we know we’ll reach the quarters these days. At that stage, and ask all the big teams, it’s just a little luck and confidence. The changes made 15 years ago at grassroots have kicked in and I for one am more excited because teams like Italy see us as better than them. We dominated them first half. No England team has ever been capable of that
12 tournament goals compared to Rooney’s 7 thoughSo Kane broke Wayne Rooney scoring record tonight, 18 were penalties where as Rooney only scored 7. As far as i am concerned Rooney would have been way ahead still.
Not sure that anyone's really griping though - it was clearly an outstanding first half performance and result. And it should make qualification a cake walk from here on in.
I've probably been the most negative on this thread, and all I'm saying is 'Great result - but can they do it when the pressure's highest, in a knockout game at a major tournament against a top side?'. Because in my lifetime, the answer has always been no, no they can't.
Kane has been a better penalty taker throughout his career though, so deserved all those spot kits.So Kane broke Wayne Rooney scoring record tonight, 18 were penalties where as Rooney only scored 7. As far as i am concerned Rooney would have been way ahead still.
I am unfortunately older than you Tony, and remember us not even qualifying for Euros and WCs.Not sure that anyone's really griping though - it was clearly an outstanding first half performance and result. And it should make qualification a cake walk from here on in.
I've probably been the most negative on this thread, and all I'm saying is 'Great result - but can they do it when the pressure's highest, in a knockout game at a major tournament against a top side?'. Because in my lifetime, the answer has always been no, no they can't.
I would imagine that injuries permitting, Kane will finish above Rooney on non penalty goals.Kane has been a better penalty taker throughout his career though, so deserved all those spot kits.
Obviously England v France not withstanding.
I am unfortunately older than you Tony, and remember us not even qualifying for Euros and WCs.
This is the first time that we have consistently been in with a chance. We are close ( losing on penalties in a Final). I agree that Southgate at times is too negative sitting on a lead, but we are genuinely contenders for the Euros.
Agree that the next step is beating France and the really top teams.
Rooney bagged loads of goals against Andorra, Kazakhstan and San Marino. They're basically the same as penalities.So Kane broke Wayne Rooney scoring record tonight, 18 were penalties where as Rooney only scored 7. As far as i am concerned Rooney would have been way ahead still.
Yet if he'd scored one more penalty that doesn't really count against France, we could have a second World Cup final appearance under our belts.So Kane broke Wayne Rooney scoring record tonight, 18 were penalties where as Rooney only scored 7. As far as i am concerned Rooney would have been way ahead still.